Article: Saints offense refuses to use play-action, motion like the rest of the NFL (2 Viewers)

[Saintscuffy]

This year, Carr has the 4th worst QB rating in the league when running play action and has the 11th best when he doesn’t run play action. Are we sure we want him to run it even more?

but could that be skewed bc of sample size?

 

[EvilMike]

Stupid is as stupid does

 

[Rouxble]

but could that be skewed bc of sample size?

I believe it is considered one of the less stable (less consistent year-to-year) metrics for QB’s due to fewer reps. I still don’t blame the coaching staff from not using it too much because of our lack of success, for whatever the cause may be.

 

[St. Geezy]

I believe it is considered one of the less stable (less consistent year-to-year) metrics for QB’s due to fewer reps. I still don’t blame the coaching staff from not using it too much because of our lack of success, for whatever the cause may be.

I’ll tell you what - I’m a Carr supporter, but if your QB at this level struggles with playaction, then you don’t have a QB.

 

[RiverRat]

Why haven’t we tried parking Pet Carmichael’s car in front of Michael Thomas’s house yet?

 

[dtc]

This year, Carr has the 4th worst QB rating in the league when running play action and has the 11th best when he doesn’t run play action. Are we sure we want him to run it even more?

I have come to the conclusion that it's Carr that's the problem. he holds the ball too long. He's a statue in the pocket. I think maybe the lack of motion is because he wants it that way so he can do what they say he's good at and read the D, but I see little evidence of that being true.

Top it off with JW coming in at the end of the game and seemingly having a much quicker rhythm and 100% better efficiency. It's almost like the rest of the team wanted to play once he was in.

 

[Rouxble]

Alright, I'll fall on the sword...is there anything he's Top 10 at?

Leaving out screens and scramble drills, he has the highest checkdown percentage in the league (30%), and also has the highest checkdown percentage for play action (44%).

Maybe they don’t run playaction because it just makes him check it down even more.

 

[Rouxble]

I have come to the conclusion that it's Carr that's the problem. he holds the ball too long. He's a statue in the pocket. I think maybe the lack of motion is because he wants it that way so he can do what they say he's good at and read the D, but I see little evidence of that being true.

Top it off with JW coming in at the end of the game and seemingly having a much quicker rhythm and 100% better efficiency. It's almost like the rest of the team wanted to play once he was in.

I’ve been thinking the same on lack of motion. I think Carr prefers to do his hard count, make his pre-snap read, and then make his adjustments. If he is sending someone in motion on a designed play, he can’t use his “strength”.

Carr has probably not received enough credit for our problems this year, but I think the last game has some fans saying “I’ve seen enough.” That’s why I made the thread on replacing him, I think its not too crazy to say that Dalton or Winston could have gotten us to this exact same spot. And I couldn’t wait for us to get rid of Dalton.

 

[Saints 318]

just a sad season

 

[Jesse Custer]

Leaving out screens and scramble drills, he has the highest checkdown percentage in the league (30%), and also has the highest checkdown percentage for play action (44%).

Maybe they don’t run playaction because it just makes him check it down even more.

Oof. I still think after watching a lot of film that he's already determined to check it down to Kamara before the ball is even snapped. He's missing too many intermediate and deep reads and doesn't seem interested in letting the routes developed. If he doesn't trust his receivers, then he either needs to work with them or he needs to quit. You're not going to win over teammates like that when we know for a fact that the other two QBs who are suiting up on gameday both trust the receivers, one guy maybe just a little too much.

 

[saintmdterps]

This year, Carr has the 4th worst QB rating in the league when running play action and has the 11th best when he doesn’t run play action. Are we sure we want him to run it even more?

I thought I remembered reading that Carr ran a lot of play action in LV? Does that mean he’s a play-action QB but the Saints can’t run a play action offense?

 

[Rouxble]

I thought I remembered reading that Carr ran a lot of play action in LV? Does that mean he’s a play-action QB but the Saints can’t run a play action offense?

Dalton was one of the best play action QB’s last year, so I don’t think that’s it. I do vaguely recall us getting bashed in one of the preseason almanacs for not using enough play action because it actually worked last year, which is a fair criticism.

 

[Rouxble]

Oof. I still think after watching a lot of film that he's already determined to check it down to Kamara before the ball is even snapped. He's missing too many intermediate and deep reads and doesn't seem interested in letting the routes developed. If he doesn't trust his receivers, then he either needs to work with them or he needs to quit. You're not going to win over teammates like that when we know for a fact that the other two QBs who are suiting up on gameday both trust the receivers, one guy maybe just a little too much.

It’s tough to watch, especially since he was supposedly ready to play in our system. We even brought in Gruden to help curate the best calls for what Carr does well.

The terrible OL play isn’t his fault, but Carr doesn’t consistently get it done when the protection is there, often checking down as a first option as you pointed out. He had his best game against the Colts because it was also the game where he faced the least pressure, lean on him just a little and our offense is done.

 

[jahsoul357]

I thought I remembered reading that Carr ran a lot of play action in LV? Does that mean he’s a play-action QB but the Saints can’t run a play action offense?

He didn't run a lot of play action under Gruden. The most play action that he ran in recent times was under McDaniels.

Dalton was one of the best play action QB’s last year, so I don’t think that’s it. I do vaguely recall us getting bashed in one of the preseason almanacs for not using enough play action because it actually worked last year, which is a fair criticism.

Play action is what let me know that this offense WAS NOT the same as it was in 2021, even though everyone kept wanting to insist that it was. Dalton ran play action around 16% and Jameis around 10% last season. In 2019 and 2020, Drew ran play-action around 14%. In 2021, Winston ran play-action like 23% of the time (which was a lot closer to the offense we used to run). For a point of reference, Tua has currently ran play action on 24% of his passes and Cousins was at 27%.

 

[Jesse Custer]

In 2021, Winston ran play-action like 23% of the time (which was a lot closer to the offense we used to run). For a point of reference, Tua has currently ran play action on 24% of his passes and Cousins was at 27%.

I think a lot of that had to do with Payton actually building his offense around Jameis and realizing that he's one of the league best at outside the pocket work. It allowed him to freelance a little while helping him out.