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[LSPSaint]

It's wild that people are saying williams sucks or that he had a bad season cause the bears as a whole didn't do well. Williams had over 3500 yards and 20 TD's to 6 ints but yet that is a bad season. We would kill for a rookie QB to have that type of season. To make it make sense jayden daniels who everyone thinks should be ROY has 25 tds and 9 ints and over 3500 yeards himself.

If Daniels had as many pass attempts as Williams, he would have had 4,170 pass yards and 29 TDs. They had the same ypc, but Daniels ran more and scored six times with his legs, giving him 31 total TDs to Williams’ 20. He also had a completion percentage that was 6.5% higher and a QB rating that was 12.3 points higher. Daniels was much better in the pocket, much more poised, less frenetic, more decisive, and had a far inferior group of players to throw to. He knew when to throw the ball away as opposed to taking sacks or negative plays.

It’s easy to throw out three stats to compare these two, but the bottom line (for their rookie seasons) is that Williams couldn’t hold Daniels’ jock and was nowhere near his level of play as a rookie. Williams can still have a great career, but Jayden was the runaway ROY for a reason while Williams was nowhere near the discussion.

 

[ThibodauxSaint]

Their stats are similar but that just shows how thin the line is between QB's at this level. I think a lot of fans are basing it on when the lights were on and the game came down to it, Williams and the Bears just couldn't get it done, at least not consistently as much as Daniels and the Commanders did.

The Bears were 3-7 in one score games with 2 of those wins coming against the worst team in the league (Titans in Week 1 where the offense scored 9 points, 0 TD's, and only won due to 2 defensive and special teams TD's) and a team that their starting QB played 1 quarter in Week 18 (Packers) and didn't need to win anyway since their playoff seed was locked in.

Meanwhile Daniels and the Commanders went 8-4 in such games and won another one on the road in the playoffs before going on the road again and dismantling the #1 seed in the conference.

In those 10 one score games, Williams and the Bears had the ball inside of 2:00 left in regulation or in overtime either trailing or tied with the opportunity to win it in 6 games. Only once did Williams pull off a game winning drive (the Week 18 game against the Packers). He did have a few potential ones ruined though: one a blocked FG to win against the Packers, one by none other than Daniels himself, and another against the Vikings where they drove for a FG to tie then failed to score again in OT.

For Daniels, he and the Commanders had that same opportunity (tied or trailing with < 2:00 in regulation or overtime with a chance to win it) in 6 games as well (and another in the playoffs) leading 4 game winning drives (5 counting the playoff game) and having another potential one blown by series of special teams implosions including a missed XP (which would've tied it) and the ensuing onside kick being returned for a TD resulting in them losing instead of the opportunity to play for overtime.

While I don't think Williams outright "sucks", he had quite a few head scratching moments this year that makes it appear that he still has some significant growing to do in the league whereas Daniels started a little slow then acclimated an played admirably.

Guess we'll see how both do once in Year 2 now that defensive coordinators have that full year of game tape on them.

I think you hit it right on the head. Statistically Daniels and Williams are similar. I do believe that Williams definitely has the ability to be great but Daniels just has "It" and that's the part that can't be coached and that's the difference in the NFL at the QB position in who is really good and who is elite.

 

[la. champ1]

I still think we're going to go for Joe Brady.

I like Brady a whole lot. Im more open to Kingsbury than I was before. Being a good coordinator don’t mean you a good HC but I’m more open to those two now than before.

 

[la. champ1]

If Daniels had as many pass attempts as Williams, he would have had 4,170 pass yards and 29 TDs. They had the same ypc, but Daniels ran more and scored six times with his legs, giving him 31 total TDs to Williams’ 20. He also had a completion percentage that was 6.5% higher and a QB rating that was 12.3 points higher. Daniels was much better in the pocket, much more poised, less frenetic, more decisive, and had a far inferior group of players to throw to. He knew when to throw the ball away as opposed to taking sacks or negative plays.

It’s easy to throw out three stats to compare these two, but the bottom line (for their rookie seasons) is that Williams couldn’t hold Daniels’ jock and was nowhere near his level of play as a rookie. Williams can still have a great career, but Jayden was the runaway ROY for a reason while Williams was nowhere near the discussion.

Facts . You can’t even compare the two really. Williams was throwing to a top ten receiver pick, an all pro in Keenan Allen and a pro bowler in DJ Moore plus Swift coming out the back field and a respectable TE in Kemet. Jayden did this with guys that were not very highly thought of outside Mclaurin and Austin Ekler. Ertz is still solid but past his prime by far. Nothing against Williams but JD5 was far better.

 

[ThibodauxSaint]

I like Brady a whole lot. Im more open to Kingsbury than I was before. Being a good coordinator don’t mean you a good HC but I’m more open to those two now than before.

With Kingsbury you at least have data on him as a head coach in both college and the NFL. Neither were good. You'd just have to decide if you believe that he's learned anything from the experience or learned from coaching under Quinn this year. Otherwise you have another Dennis Allen situation where Kingsbury is who he is as a head coach.