N/S Bears tried to trade for Mike Tomlin (1 Viewer)

[No2DC]

Based on this news, it seems like McCarthy is their guy. Pursuing Tomlin tells me they want a veteran coach over a first time HC.

I don’t blame them, they fired the last two first-time HC’s with a combined 45-66 record (which should be a consideration for everyone who is beating on the table for a first-time HC at all costs).

He's the safest candidate given their history, and they have a promising young quarterback who needs an offensive coach.

 

[Rexman100]

Based on this news, it seems like McCarthy is their guy. Pursuing Tomlin tells me they want a veteran coach over a first time HC.

I don’t blame them, they fired the last two first-time HC’s with a combined 45-66 record (which should be a consideration for everyone who is beating on the table for a first-time HC at all costs).

Also a little insulting to Mike potentially. There’s no way Mike left Dallas’ negotiating table like that, unless he KNEW he had a job elsewhere. So Chicago doing this, and I saw they asked Minn as well to trade their HC, therefore, there has to be another team Mike is eyeing. Hopefully it’s us

 

[St. Geezy]

Also a little insulting to Mike potentially. There’s no way Mike left Dallas’ negotiating table like that, unless he KNEW he had a job elsewhere. So Chicago doing this, and I saw they asked Minn as well to trade their HC, therefore, there has to be another team Mike is eyeing. Hopefully it’s us

Yeah…I think a lot of this gets presented to us as organic interviews and pursuits but I’m fairly certain that a lot of this stuff has already been worked out through back channels.

Matches have likely already been made and at least a couple of these guys already know where the offer they want is and where they’re going IMO.

A couple of these guys may even already have their wives scouting out areas and shopping for houses for all we know.

 

[St. Widge]

He's the safest candidate given their history, and they have a promising young quarterback who needs an offensive coach.

McCarthy is really the obvious choice for any of the teams left that need a HC. Anyone that wouldn't hire him is really just betting on the potential of a young coach with the hopes that they can do what McCarthy has done in his career.

But, it's going to come down to where he wants to go and who he wants to work with. McCarthy has been in the NFL for a very long time, he will know who he can work with and who he can't.

 

[th3myth]

Not according to other members on here. I said the same thing and got a response thats why i am not an offensive coach……toushay!

It's wild that people are saying williams sucks or that he had a bad season cause the bears as a whole didn't do well. Williams had over 3500 yards and 20 TD's to 6 ints but yet that is a bad season. We would kill for a rookie QB to have that type of season. To make it make sense jayden daniels who everyone thinks should be ROY has 25 tds and 9 ints and over 3500 yeards himself.

 

[Rexman100]

McCarthy is really the obvious choice for any of the teams left that need a HC. Anyone that wouldn't hire him is really just betting on the potential of a young coach with the hopes that they can do what McCarthy has done in his career.

But, it's going to come down to where he wants to go and who he wants to work with. McCarthy has been in the NFL for a very long time, he will know who he can work with and who he can't.

Exactly.

IMO, Saints fans should feel a little possessive, he was our OC hired away to be a head coach. Good for him. Bad for us. We should, naturally, want him back. I know I do. Maybe this is why some fans want others, because they weren’t around back then..

 

[St. Geezy]

The Bears are kind of all over the place. lol

What in the world is going on up at Halas Hall???

 

[CajunSaint08]

I would love to have Mike Tomlin as the Saint's head coach or Andy Reid.

 

[No2DC]

What in the world is going on up at Halas Hall???

Just the process. I don't even think it's Rooney rule thing, Eddie might want to jump at a certain point.

 

[St. Geezy]

Just the process. I don't even think it's Rooney rule thing, Eddie might want to jump at a certain point.

Oh I know…just saying they are ALL over the map.

 

[Eeyore]

The McCaskey family is always trying to prove that they're the smartest people in the business. They're always shopping at Dollar Tree for value instead of buying a guaranteed quality product (all Chicago teams do). They always Bears it up. Even when they get an uncut diamond (high pick quarterback) they refuse to do what's necessary to get the most out of it. They're the type to have an exotic sports car and take it to a random mechanic in the neighborhood instead of to a place qualified to work on such a vehicle.

As long as that family owns them it'll be this way. They meddle. They think that football knowledge is genetic and they won't let the actual football people do it. Grandpa knew football so they do too.

They'll have the occasional good season and then kill it after they look at the expense sheets. They know that the meathead fans will show up anyway.

 

[gregh]

you d think think that woulda been flushed out in pre draft, unless they just didnt care

It's not his talent I'd be worried about, though he did play like trash his rookie season. It's that he's a total weirdo

 

[Alan12]

It's wild that people are saying williams sucks or that he had a bad season cause the bears as a whole didn't do well. Williams had over 3500 yards and 20 TD's to 6 ints but yet that is a bad season. We would kill for a rookie QB to have that type of season. To make it make sense jayden daniels who everyone thinks should be ROY has 25 tds and 9 ints and over 3500 yeards himself.

Their stats are similar but that just shows how thin the line is between QB's at this level. I think a lot of fans are basing it on when the lights were on and the game came down to it, Williams and the Bears just couldn't get it done, at least not consistently as much as Daniels and the Commanders did.

The Bears were 3-7 in one score games with 2 of those wins coming against the worst team in the league (Titans in Week 1 where the offense scored 9 points, 0 TD's, and only won due to 2 defensive and special teams TD's) and a team that their starting QB played 1 quarter in Week 18 (Packers) and didn't need to win anyway since their playoff seed was locked in.

Meanwhile Daniels and the Commanders went 8-4 in such games and won another one on the road in the playoffs before going on the road again and dismantling the #1 seed in the conference.

In those 10 one score games, Williams and the Bears had the ball inside of 2:00 left in regulation or in overtime either trailing or tied with the opportunity to win it in 6 games. Only once did Williams pull off a game winning drive (the Week 18 game against the Packers). He did have a few potential ones ruined though: one a blocked FG to win against the Packers, one by none other than Daniels himself, and another against the Vikings where they drove for a FG to tie then failed to score again in OT.

For Daniels, he and the Commanders had that same opportunity (tied or trailing with < 2:00 in regulation or overtime with a chance to win it) in 6 games as well (and another in the playoffs) leading 4 game winning drives (5 counting the playoff game) and having another potential one blown by series of special teams implosions including a missed XP (which would've tied it) and the ensuing onside kick being returned for a TD resulting in them losing instead of the opportunity to play for overtime.

While I don't think Williams outright "sucks", he had quite a few head scratching moments this year that makes it appear that he still has some significant growing to do in the league whereas Daniels started a little slow then acclimated an played admirably.

Guess we'll see how both do once in Year 2 now that defensive coordinators have that full year of game tape on them.

 

[LSPSaint]

It's wild that people are saying williams sucks or that he had a bad season cause the bears as a whole didn't do well. Williams had over 3500 yards and 20 TD's to 6 ints but yet that is a bad season. We would kill for a rookie QB to have that type of season. To make it make sense jayden daniels who everyone thinks should be ROY has 25 tds and 9 ints and over 3500 yeards himself.

If Daniels had as many pass attempts as Williams, he would have had 4,170 pass yards and 29 TDs. They had the same ypc, but Daniels ran more and scored six times with his legs, giving him 31 total TDs to Williams’ 20. He also had a completion percentage that was 6.5% higher and a QB rating that was 12.3 points higher. Daniels was much better in the pocket, much more poised, less frenetic, more decisive, and had a far inferior group of players to throw to. He knew when to throw the ball away as opposed to taking sacks or negative plays.

It’s easy to throw out three stats to compare these two, but the bottom line (for their rookie seasons) is that Williams couldn’t hold Daniels’ jock and was nowhere near his level of play as a rookie. Williams can still have a great career, but Jayden was the runaway ROY for a reason while Williams was nowhere near the discussion.

 

[ThibodauxSaint]

Their stats are similar but that just shows how thin the line is between QB's at this level. I think a lot of fans are basing it on when the lights were on and the game came down to it, Williams and the Bears just couldn't get it done, at least not consistently as much as Daniels and the Commanders did.

The Bears were 3-7 in one score games with 2 of those wins coming against the worst team in the league (Titans in Week 1 where the offense scored 9 points, 0 TD's, and only won due to 2 defensive and special teams TD's) and a team that their starting QB played 1 quarter in Week 18 (Packers) and didn't need to win anyway since their playoff seed was locked in.

Meanwhile Daniels and the Commanders went 8-4 in such games and won another one on the road in the playoffs before going on the road again and dismantling the #1 seed in the conference.

In those 10 one score games, Williams and the Bears had the ball inside of 2:00 left in regulation or in overtime either trailing or tied with the opportunity to win it in 6 games. Only once did Williams pull off a game winning drive (the Week 18 game against the Packers). He did have a few potential ones ruined though: one a blocked FG to win against the Packers, one by none other than Daniels himself, and another against the Vikings where they drove for a FG to tie then failed to score again in OT.

For Daniels, he and the Commanders had that same opportunity (tied or trailing with < 2:00 in regulation or overtime with a chance to win it) in 6 games as well (and another in the playoffs) leading 4 game winning drives (5 counting the playoff game) and having another potential one blown by series of special teams implosions including a missed XP (which would've tied it) and the ensuing onside kick being returned for a TD resulting in them losing instead of the opportunity to play for overtime.

While I don't think Williams outright "sucks", he had quite a few head scratching moments this year that makes it appear that he still has some significant growing to do in the league whereas Daniels started a little slow then acclimated an played admirably.

Guess we'll see how both do once in Year 2 now that defensive coordinators have that full year of game tape on them.

I think you hit it right on the head. Statistically Daniels and Williams are similar. I do believe that Williams definitely has the ability to be great but Daniels just has "It" and that's the part that can't be coached and that's the difference in the NFL at the QB position in who is really good and who is elite.