N/S Biggest choke artists of all-time (#1 on page 8) (1 Viewer)

[zeetes]

Marcus Williams has to be on there.

And the referees in the Rams playoff game should

refs, yes. i only put half the blame on him. he should have had help instead of the saints not expecting at least a hail mary. i'll put him 5-9, depending on the other plays.

the refs? definitely number 1.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Not trying to argue but I honestly don't remember. Were the Saints actually eliminated by then? I feel like I was watching it at a bar somewhere and thought we were still alive. The announcers in the clip also seem to be saying they're still alive as well.

Because I live to serve...here's the story.


Entering week 16 (notice that it wasn't the last week of the season):
- Saints @ Jaguars with a 7-7 record (morning game)
- Cowboys vs Giants with a 9-5 record (morning game)
- Seahawks vs Cardinals with a 8-6 record (evening game)


Tie breakers:
- The Seahawks owned the tie breaker against the Saints because they beat the Saints week 1
- The Saints vs Cowboys tie breaker was up for grabs because the Saints play the Cowboys week 17


So, before the game even started, we knew that there was only two real ways to get into the playoffs:
Option 1) The Cowboys lose week 16 against the Giants, and then lose against the Saints week 17..that was they have the same record as the Saints but they would hold Head-to-Head tie breaker.
Option 2) The Saints win out while the Seahawks lose out.


What happened?
- The Cowboys BEAT the Giants and it was a quick game...so by the time the Saints were entering the 4th quarter of the River City Relay game with the Jags, the Cowboys already secured one of the wild care berths (the Panthers were run aways for the division that year). But even if the Cowboys would have lost, it would NOT have guaranteed the Saints a wild card berth because they would have had to beat the Cowboys week 17 (which then ended up doing in hindsight).
- If the Saints would have won the game against the Jaguars, the evening game between the Seahawks and Cardinals would have carried more significance because if the Seahawks would have lost, then it created the only real avenue to getting a wild card berth. But in hindsight...the Seahawks ended up winning the game against the Cardinals anyway, and also won in week 17 as well.

 

[Saint Taysom]

The refs in the Saints/Rams NFCCG debacle didn’t “choke”... they were just following orders.

 

[SaintJ]

Were the Bills ever really favored to win any of their Super Bowls? I honestly don't remember, I was pretty young. I do remember everyone knowing that the Cowboys were going to murder them.

The wide right kick is probably on this list too.

I think they were favorites in 1990, which was really the game rocketed Parcells into a deserved reputation that also made him damn near insufferable. Every other SB they were very clear underdogs.

I never ever thought of that "wide right" as a choke. 47 yards, grass field, didn't miss by much. He didn't have that big of a leg anyway -- although he had one All-Pro year a couple years earlier, mostly for solid accuracy with a great an offense that was past the 50 a lot, for his career he was only 39 of 71 outside 40 yards (55%), and in 1990 he was only 11-for-18 outside of just 30 yards , and his longest FG that year was 48 yards. I'd put that more on the rest of the team -- they put this guy in a hell of a spot and he performed within his range of expectation.

The biggest choke that game was the Bills #6 ranked run defense that just got pounded all night, and the #1 scoring offense getting only two TDs and two FG attempt opportunities over 60 minutes with exactly three plays of 20+ yards in 60 minutes.

The entire Bills organization, including the out-coached coaches and the outplayed players, a bunch of whom went to the Hall of Fame based on narrative, stats, and pity, asked one guy to get to the outer limit of his capabilities to bail them out.

They should be the ones apologizing to Norwood. He should be the one going to bed every night saying "why did I have to get my one chance in the Super Bowl with that bunch of chokers?"

As they proved three times later.

SaintJ ruins everything.

 

[SaintJ]

I’m having a hard time remembering another Saints individual player loss. All I’m coming up with are team losses (or those caused by the ref).

Casey Stengel manager, of the 40-122 expansion Mets to his team after the season: "I just want you to know that this was a team effort. There was no way in **** that just two or three of you guys could have ****** this up all this ******* badly all by your ******* selves."

Ah, the old Perfesser.

 

[RKNSaint]

Mickey Loomis for drafting Jon Sullivan in 2003 has to be on some hall of shame list.

 

[NewOrleansFan]

Favre throwing the ball to Porter should be top 2.

“This ain’t Detroit. This is the Superbowl!”

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

LOL, you just convinced me that it wasn't. He was due to miss one. It wasn't a statistical anomaly. He simply missed.

Yeah, there’s really no way to say that an individual miss is choking
Extremely bad timing for a statistical normality is probably what’s happening

Announcers (and fans) get this wrong ALL of the time, especially where streaks are involved- somebody on a hot streak does not give that person a better chance of succeeding- quite the opposite

otoh, choking should probably be something like John Starks (a personal favorite btw) going 2 for 18 in the nba finals

 

[Loose Cannon]

I think they were favorites in 1990, which was really the game rocketed Parcells into a deserved reputation that also made him damn near insufferable. Every other SB they were very clear underdogs.

I never ever thought of that "wide right" as a choke. 47 yards, grass field, didn't miss by much. He didn't have that big of a leg anyway -- although he had one All-Pro year a couple years earlier, mostly for solid accuracy with a great an offense that was past the 50 a lot, for his career he was only 39 of 71 outside 40 yards (55%), and in 1990 he was only 11-for-18 outside of just 30 yards , and his longest FG that year was 48 yards. I'd put that more on the rest of the team -- they put this guy in a hell of a spot and he performed within his range of expectation.

The biggest choke that game was the Bills #6 ranked run defense that just got pounded all night, and the #1 scoring offense getting only two TDs and two FG attempt opportunities over 60 minutes with exactly three plays of 20+ yards in 60 minutes.

The entire Bills organization, including the out-coached coaches and the outplayed players, a bunch of whom went to the Hall of Fame based on narrative, stats, and pity, asked one guy to get to the outer limit of his capabilities to bail them out.

They should be the ones apologizing to Norwood. He should be the one going to bed every night saying "why did I have to get my one chance in the Super Bowl with that bunch of chokers?"

As they proved three times later.

SaintJ ruins everything.

That's good background info. I didn't watch much of the game as me and my friends were out building a bike ramp that would ultimately give me about a 4 inch gash in my shin and get me grounded for a week or so IIRC. I just remember the kick missing. By the Cowboys Bills game I was in middle school, so I was paying more attention to football happenings. Still remember the Leon Lett premature celebration.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Favre throwing the ball to Porter should be top 2.

“This ain’t Detroit. This is the Superbowl!”

Yeah. One thing that sort of never gets talked about when we talk about 2009 is that Favre could have easily run for the first down. That throw was a huge mistake. The Vikings really had control of that game at that point and Favre made a terrible, terrible decision. Somehow it's bounced off of his legacy for the most part, but it was a choke job.

He was scared to run because bounties. Don't care, had Super Bowl.

 

[faceman]

Romo bobbling the snap in the playoff game as the placeholder.

Romo takes a lot of flak for this, but watch the replay. The kicker makes a half hearted attempt on the eventual tacker. If the kicker had
just stepped in his way, Romo may have scored a Td. If not, he easily makes a first down with a minute still left on the clock.

 

[sammymvpknight]

That's good background info. I didn't watch much of the game as me and my friends were out building a bike ramp that would ultimately give me about a 4 inch gash in my shin and get me grounded for a week or so IIRC. I just remember the kick missing. By the Cowboys Bills game I was in middle school, so I was paying more attention to football happenings. Still remember the Leon Lett premature celebration.

That Giants vs Bills is my earliest specific memory of being an NFL fan.

 

[Loose Cannon]

That Giants vs Bills is my earliest specific memory of being an NFL fan.

We must be around the same age. The Bengals 49ers Super Bowl was mine, but that Giants Bills game was in the top 2 or 3. Those two and some random game where Flipper Anderson put up some ridiculous amount of yards, I think a record, on the Saints. Not sure when that was exactly, but it would have been around the same time period.

 

[NewOrleansFan]

1998 NFC championship game. Gary Anderson’s missed field goal gotta be up there too. He was perfect for the season until that kick.