[Bumped to discuss resulting legal actions] Elementary school shooting in Connecticut. (Edit/Update - 26 reported killed, many of them children) (2 Viewers)

[guidomerkinsrules]

4.1M? Meh, they should've gutted his arse. Losing 4.1M isn't going to keep him from doing this in the future, his backers are just going to pump more money his way and he'll just lazily move away from this moment as if it never happened.

This is one of several lawsuits coming his way - one is on hold while they sort out the bankruptcy stuff
Hopefully one of the text messages gives to the prosecutors starts something like “hey tucker carlson, where do you hide your Ill gotten lucre?”
And the response is Panama papers like

 

[superchuck500]

4.1M? Meh, they should've gutted his arse. Losing 4.1M isn't going to keep him from doing this in the future, his backers are just going to pump more money his way and he'll just lazily move away from this moment as if it never happened.

Compensatory damages are only to compensate the injured party for their suffered losses. Sometimes those are definable like with property damage or medical expenses, and sometimes those are more about precedent and more generalized concepts about harm (a case like this one where the loses isn't easy to quantify) - but they're solely to compensate the injured party. They are not to punish the defendant, they are not to render the defendant incapable. I think $4M is within the expected range - evidence of intent to punish can put the decision at risk on appeal.

That's what punitive damages are for, if they're found to be owed.

 

[efil4stnias]

Well so Texas has cap on punitive damages...2x compensatory.

Don't know if this type of case you can "pierce" thru cap, but don't expect some crazy high number. And if there is, appeal will follow I guess.

 

[bclemms]

But as you outlined in the great post above this one, the audience is historically determined- this won’t be fixed by going at the audience
Best that can be done is clean up/shut off the pipeline that spews toxic sludge at them

Yeah, I want no part of government deciding what can and can not be said. Private companies can have at it though.

 

[bclemms]

Compensatory damages are only to compensate the injured party for their suffered losses. Sometimes those are definable like with property damage or medical expenses, and sometimes those are more about precedent and more generalized concepts about harm (a case like this one where the loses isn't easy to quantify) - but they're solely to compensate the injured party. They are not to punish the defendant, they are not to render the defendant incapable. I think $4M is within the expected range - evidence of intent to punish can put the decision at risk on appeal.

That's what punitive damages are for, if they're found to be owed.

What I learned from this whole thing is to lie under oath. Worst case scenario is I get caught and have to tell the truth.

 

[superchuck500]

What I learned from this whole thing is to lie under oath. Worst case scenario is I get caught and have to tell the truth.

Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the contempt and perjury issues. They seem pretty obvious here - you can't refuse proper discovery and you can't lie under oath. That needs to be addressed.

 

[superchuck500]

Within hours of the verdict, the Jones camp is going all-in on trying to get the phone back.

Meanwhile, the plaintiffs' lawyer appears to be holding strong that it is lawfully in his possession, he will preserve it, and that he will adhere to subpoenas for it.

 

[superchuck500]

To show you what the mindset of the plaintiffs lawyer is now, he's practically trolling Jones about it. Hard to blame him when Jones basically gave him the middle finger in discovery and lied in his deposition.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yeah, I want no part of government deciding what can and can not be said. Private companies can have at it though.

so…status quo?

 

[bclemms]

so…status quo?

Absolutely. It's a necessary evil.

If you are ok with 1st amendment censorship now, will you be ok with it when the likes of Alex Jones and Steve Bannon are elected in power?

 

[Optimus Prime]

One of the comments to this article:

Alex Jones was after the cash, obviously. I don’t understand what his stupid cult followers were after

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…..The hearings were remarkable because they caught this crook at long last. The trove of text messages, emails and other data finally stopped him from wriggling out of paying up.

But something else matters more: Jones was forced, however fleetingly, to admit he doesn’t believe in his own fantasy land.

“I don’t think that you are operatives,” he conceded to jurors.
“I don’t think you’re an actor,” he said to the mother suing him, who lost her son in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.


“It’s 100 percent real,” he said about the shooting, after saying for so long that it was a concoction to deprive people of their weapons.


So what was he doing when he smeared those jurors as “blue-collar” people, carefully selected by his enemies, who “don’t know what planet they’re on”?

What was he doing when he alleged on a broadcast that the father of that same boy, who has spoken of holding him with a bullet hole through his head, never held him at all?


That’s easy enough: He was putting on a show.


The consequences of Jones’s actions are as real as Sandy Hook — because his viewers do believe, even if he doesn’t.

They’ve called up parents and confronted them in person; they’ve tried to dox them; they’ve shoved them on the street and even showed up at their houses and shot guns.

But Jones himself has always been nothing more than an entertainer, sitting behind his microphone and telling his stories, because storytelling pays the bills.


And performance isn’t just Jones’s vocation. It’s his subject matter, too. The Sandy Hook conspiracy theory relies on the falsehood that the parents and children themselves are artificial — the kids never lived, so they could never have died, and the grown-ups are “crisis actors” staging a grand tragedy that never actually occurred.

This accusation of fakery isn’t exclusive to Sandy Hook; Jones’s modus operandi is telling supporters that one horrific event or another was merely a play put on to hoodwink the masses……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/04/alex-jones-sandy-hook-texts-irony/

 

[superchuck500]

I don't think this needs to be said but because I can't help myself, this is just another example of why it is so stupid and self-destructive to allow yourself to get crosswise with the judge in your case - whether you're the party or the lawyer. It is easily foreseeable that you might need some goodwill from that judge at some point, and sheetting all over the judge and the courtroom is idiotic.

Here, Jones spent months thwarting the discovery process, disrespecting the court, and even insulting the judge in public (seriously dude) - and now all of a sudden Jones needs something from the judge, and she has the power to grant it.

Judges will typically be sensitive to helping lawyers avoid malpractice - and judges are typically very sensitive to the interest of protecting privileged material. But here, after all that happened, the judge is obviously in no mood to even consider doing Jones a favor. As long as she has good law on her side, and she does here, there's just no way.

Some people go through their lives like this - torching everything they touch and being angry and bitter over time because it seems like people are always against you. But you made that bed, and life has a way of making you lie in it.

 

[sfidc3]

I don't think this needs to be said but because I can't help myself, this is just another example of why it is so stupid and self-destructive to allow yourself to get crosswise with the judge in your case - whether you're the party or the lawyer. It is easily foreseeable that you might need some goodwill from that judge at some point, and sheetting all over the judge and the courtroom is idiotic.

Here, Jones spent months thwarting the discovery process, disrespecting the court, and even insulting the judge in public (seriously dude) - and now all of a sudden Jones needs something from the judge, and she has the power to grant it.

Judges will typically be sensitive to helping lawyers avoid malpractice - and judges are typically very sensitive to the interest of protecting privileged material. But here, after all that happened, the judge is obviously in no mood to even consider doing Jones a favor. As long as she has good law on her side, and she does here, there's just no way.

Some people go through their lives like this - torching everything they touch and being angry and bitter over time because it seems like people are always against you. But you made that bed, and life has a way of making you lie in it.

Very poetic and informative post….

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ideally that's what would happen

But if I recall correctly Jones was already forced to admit as much during his divorce/child custody trial and I don't think it affected his audience one bit

Fox admitted the same (forget when or why) about Tucker Carlson, saying he isn't news and isn't to be taken seriously

And I fear it's too far gone. A huge judgment would just be dismissed by some as a liberal deep state witch hunt

And Jones admitting the whole thing was a lie? "That's the lie. He saw which way the wind was blowing and was trying to limit the damage by falling on his sword and saying what 'they' want to hear"

and he's right back to it
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On Thursday evening, Alex Jones bizarrely declared "victory" after being ordered to pay $4.1 million to the parents of a victim of the Sandy Hook massacre.....

"I admitted I was wrong. I made a mistake," Jones said in a video shared on Infowars on Thursday. "But not on purpose. I apologized to the families. And the jury understood that what I did to those families was wrong, but I didn't do it on purpose."

"I trusted God. I trust the truth coming out. At the end of the day, I don't have all these millions of dollars they claim I have," Jones continued. "But this is still a major victory for truth."

Jones also said he thought his testimony woke the jury up to new facts, which is why the damages awarded were far lower than the parents' request.

Jones went on to say he was "going to work on trying to make restitution" and appealed to his supporters to buy products from the Infowars store to help him out.

"We are so broke," Jones said, adding at multiple points in the video that the show was "close to being shut down."

"So get a T-shirt, get a book," he said.........

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

and did we discuss this?

8 bucks?? Fork all of you
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As the defense unraveled on the final day of Alex Jones' defamation trial, the Infowars host's attorney offered contradictions and a measly offering to the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim: eight dollars.

The amount of money was revealed by Jones' attorney Federico Reynal as attorneys offered their closing arguments in the case, asking jurors to consider specific amounts of money that the family of the shooting victim should be awarded in defamation and emotional distress damages they are seeking.

Meanwhile, Kyle Farrar, an attorney who represented the Sandy Hook victim's parents, maintained that the two parents deserved $150 million total in damages due to the conspiracy campaign that Jones led on his network Infowars, calling the shooting that left 26 dead a "hoax," and the victims, "crisis actors."

Reynal was adamant on Wednesday that the families deserved the lowest possible amount of damages, which was a total of eight dollars.......

Alex Jones' lawyer – the one who accidentally leaked revealing texts – said Sandy Hook parents deserve just $8 in damages

Kyle Farrar, an attorney who represented the Sandy Hook victim's parents, maintained that the two parents deserved $150 million total in damages.

www.insider.com