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good article about why and how loved ones fall under Jones' (and his ilk's) spell
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Per his defense, when conspiracy theorist Alex Jones called the Sandy Hook parents crisis actors, “he was looking at the world through dirty glasses.” Maybe so. But he has built a career selling “dirty glasses” to people like my mother, a self-described “truther” who spread misinformation before and after the Sandy Hook shooting.

After a deployment in Desert Storm and through 30 years of odd jobs — including working a cash register and driving a paper route — my mother has found purpose and intellectual stimulation through her fervent following of Jones. Even as he backpedaled on the witness stand during his defamation trial in Texas and a jury ordered him to pay $50 million to the parents of a Sandy Hook victim for the lies he spread about the massacre, even as Jones faces another defamation case in Connecticut, she calls for a Nuremberg 2.0 to try the forces behind Covid-19 vaccines, which Jones’ site claims are a weapon of genocide.

In this respect, my mother isn’t unique: Millions of Americans continue to spread Jones’ misinformation even as he is publicly debunked. While it’s tempting to celebrate Jones’ being held accountable, we can’t forget the outsize place he continues to hold in the lives of millions like my mother...............

Four years had passed and I was living with my mother during the school year for the first time. We were at a stoplight in her 1971 Volkswagen van when an ad interrupting “The Alex Jones Radio Show” warned: “Time is getting shorter until Y2K. … Now is the time to stock up on emergency supplies and a whole food reserve.”

Jones’ influence over my mother in the last months of 1999 is hard to overstate. She took to calling grocery store trips “supply missions.” We pushed one buggy each through H-E-B until they were filled with canned food, toilet paper and industrial packs of Q-Tips. I knew to wander off when she asked a teenage grocery store worker for help finding toothpaste without fluoride. I knew I couldn’t bear to see his polite reaction when she whispered, “They want to make us easier to control.”

When Jones’ predictions of a government takeover via Y2K intensified, my mother broke the lease on her apartment to move us into a small cabin in the country. We stacked our “supplies” in half-boxes in the middle of the cabin’s single room, between the kitchenette and the bunk bed where I slept.

The night of New Year’s Eve, we sat around a campfire with a clear view of Austin’s downtown, and I didn’t plan to move. I wanted to see it for myself — the moment all the lights of the city would go dark.

Jones’ voice barreled through a battery-operated radio: “A Pennsylvania nuclear plant has been shut down.” I caught myself bouncing, giddy in the camp chair. Through the campfire smoke, I saw my mother. Her hair was pulled back in a bandanna. “Military are highly visible now,“ the broadcast continued. “Yes, ladies and gentlemen, there are trains of military equipment moving into Austin.

As we listened, I asked, “What will the military do if the lights go out from the Y2K bug?” Without turning her head to look at me, she said: “Whatever they’re told to do. It’s the government we’re worried about.” I was worried, but not about the government. I prayed that Jones’ predictions would come true because I’d have to confront the seedlings of doubt I had about my mother’s decisions if they didn’t. To believe in her, I needed to see tanks in the streets.

When midnight came and tanks didn’t, any blind trust I had in my mother evaporated. When school let out, I moved back to West Virginia and spent the rest of my school-age years between my parents’ places. By high school, I laughed with friends as we flipped through the “Bloodlines of the Illuminati” book my mother kept in her living room. She was kooky and harmless, we thought. The ideas were a joke.

But her beliefs had become threatening by the time of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. We were no longer laughing. When I found out about the shooting, I was 22 and in my first semester as a high school math teacher, minutes into a freshman algebra class. My students’ teenage pretense fell away, and through their vulnerability, they seemed closer to elementary schoolers than to the college students they imitated.

After a long week, I called my mother. Our estrangement ebbed and flowed then — in this period, we spoke every few months, tiptoeing across a minefield of conversations to avoid. When I said I was glad my school had metal detectors, I shouldn’t have been surprised when she interrupted me to say, “Please, this was not some random attack.”

I could not — cannot — argue with my mother. I stayed silent.

“You’re telling me you believe that kid just bought a gun and shot up a school?” she asked, indignant. “He did all that on his own? This,” she assured me, “CIA is behind this.”...........


That’s really insightful and a good read. It isn’t hard to see that though - the need for people to have an order and a sense to things because it is somehow easier than to accept that a child could shoot up a school or a pandemic can occur naturally.

The problem is that replacing reality with this delusion because it’s more “orderly” comes with enemies and targets. The tragic or hopeless is replaced with design and manufactured evil. And those are powerful feelings - they can motivate the person to do irrational or even violent things.

How is that a better result than reality? It’s much worse.
 
i watched this happen to my dad but it was O'Reilly
dad was a very intelligent man who grew up in trying circumstances and never really found his footing in life - became more and more aggrieved about life (and drinking didn't help)
O'Reilly put a voice to all his disappointments and gave him convenient external targets
 
Also, my first time reading about early Alex Jones and the Y2K hysteria
 
That’s really insightful and a good read. It isn’t hard to see that though - the need for people to have an order and a sense to things because it is somehow easier than to accept that a child could shoot up a school or a pandemic can occur naturally.

The problem is that replacing reality with this delusion because it’s more “orderly” comes with enemies and targets. The tragic or hopeless is replaced with design and manufactured evil. And those are powerful feelings - they can motivate the person to do irrational or even violent things.

How is that a better result than reality? It’s much worse.
it's easy to be dismissive of the listeners/viewers/supporters of Alex jones, Tucker Carlson, Qanon, etc. when all you know about them is reading articles

has to be heartbreaking when it's someone you're close to, and someone you can't just cast aside
 
I think the education angle is the best way forward. Of course, then they'll scream indoctrination. They'll just leave out they want to be the sole source of indoctrination.
It's why there are powerful groups in this country acting vigorously to destroy the public school systems.

If you can control what they teach, you can make sure they're not thinking.

If you can get people in the habit of asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers.
 
That’s really insightful and a good read. It isn’t hard to see that though - the need for people to have an order and a sense to things because it is somehow easier than to accept that a child could shoot up a school or a pandemic can occur naturally.

The problem is that replacing reality with this delusion because it’s more “orderly” comes with enemies and targets. The tragic or hopeless is replaced with design and manufactured evil. And those are powerful feelings - they can motivate the person to do irrational or even violent things.

How is that a better result than reality? It’s much worse.

That makes some sense for senseless tragedies but where does flouride = mind control and Y2K = government takeover come from?
 
That makes some sense for senseless tragedies but where does flouride = mind control and Y2K = government takeover come from?

Yep, fair.

I think once you let the conspiracy boogeyman inhabit your mind, it opens the tap to all of that . . . while the power of reason slips out the back door.

We have seen it here. I have seen it with others. Loved ones describe that very process that begins with something like a false-flag to explain a horrific tragedy leading to chemtrials and Illuminati.

I think there must be some brain chemistry going on. When the person comes to think these things are real, there’s a dopamine release. I think that’s the “red pill.”
 
The problem with a world where crazy conspiracy theories run amok and are believed without much scrutiny is that the real historical examples of false flag operations and deceptions are then overlooked and eventually rejected because they are 'conspiracy theories'

So for example the seemingly incredible activities that took place in Italy during the strategy of tension era 1969-1982 seem like something out of a far-fetched spy novel, yet have been painstakingly detailed by Italian magistrates and investigators at the cost of many lives. In short:
  • There was widespread collusion between right wing terrorist groups, Nato and the secret security forces which almost ended up in a neo-Fascist military coup and an overthrow of democracy
  • Bombing attacks on civilian targets by right wing terror groups blamed on communists. Official enquiries all originally pointed the finger at left wing groups
  • Campaigns of asassination, sabotage, bribery and corruption, overlooked by the state's intelligence agencies
There was also infiltration of left wing terror groups by agents provocateurs, coupled with the mass arrest of original leaders. This left a power vacuum which could be exploited by intelligence agents masquerading as true believers. The murder of Aldo Moro for instance makes no sense from a Communist perspective as Moro was trying to strike a deal with the left and offer them a chance of coalition. It remains to be established whether this was false flag or whether the Red Brigade were just stupid and acted against their own interest (which is perfectly plausible).

So while most conspiracy theories are clearly bunk....I still believe we should remain open minded and critical.
 
The problem with a world where crazy conspiracy theories run amok and are believed without much scrutiny is that the real historical examples of false flag operations and deceptions are then overlooked and eventually rejected because they are 'conspiracy theories'

So for example the seemingly incredible activities that took place in Italy during the strategy of tension era 1969-1982 seem like something out of a far-fetched spy novel, yet have been painstakingly detailed by Italian magistrates and investigators at the cost of many lives. In short:
  • There was widespread collusion between right wing terrorist groups, Nato and the secret security forces which almost ended up in a neo-Fascist military coup and an overthrow of democracy
  • Bombing attacks on civilian targets by right wing terror groups blamed on communists. Official enquiries all originally pointed the finger at left wing groups
  • Campaigns of asassination, sabotage, bribery and corruption, overlooked by the state's intelligence agencies
There was also infiltration of left wing terror groups by agents provocateurs, coupled with the mass arrest of original leaders. This left a power vacuum which could be exploited by intelligence agents masquerading as true believers. The murder of Aldo Moro for instance makes no sense from a Communist perspective as Moro was trying to strike a deal with the left and offer them a chance of coalition. It remains to be established whether this was false flag or whether the Red Brigade were just stupid and acted against their own interest (which is perfectly plausible).

So while most conspiracy theories are clearly bunk....I still believe we should remain open minded and critical.

That’s a fair point too. Reason and evidence cut both ways.
 
i watched this happen to my dad but it was O'Reilly
dad was a very intelligent man who grew up in trying circumstances and never really found his footing in life - became more and more aggrieved about life (and drinking didn't help)
O'Reilly put a voice to all his disappointments and gave him convenient external targets

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The problem with a world where crazy conspiracy theories run amok and are believed without much scrutiny is that the real historical examples of false flag operations and deceptions are then overlooked and eventually rejected because they are 'conspiracy theories'

So for example the seemingly incredible activities that took place in Italy during the strategy of tension era 1969-1982 seem like something out of a far-fetched spy novel, yet have been painstakingly detailed by Italian magistrates and investigators at the cost of many lives. In short:
  • There was widespread collusion between right wing terrorist groups, Nato and the secret security forces which almost ended up in a neo-Fascist military coup and an overthrow of democracy
  • Bombing attacks on civilian targets by right wing terror groups blamed on communists. Official enquiries all originally pointed the finger at left wing groups
  • Campaigns of asassination, sabotage, bribery and corruption, overlooked by the state's intelligence agencies
There was also infiltration of left wing terror groups by agents provocateurs, coupled with the mass arrest of original leaders. This left a power vacuum which could be exploited by intelligence agents masquerading as true believers. The murder of Aldo Moro for instance makes no sense from a Communist perspective as Moro was trying to strike a deal with the left and offer them a chance of coalition. It remains to be established whether this was false flag or whether the Red Brigade were just stupid and acted against their own interest (which is perfectly plausible).

So while most conspiracy theories are clearly bunk....I still believe we should remain open minded and critical.
there isn't anthing you can tell me that would want me to give an open mind to anything Alex Jones is pushing. Not even one iotta of thought, zero.. Even he doesn't actually believe them...
 

I would not have enjoyed going to school that was guarded and locked up like a prison. Instead of fixing the system, let's just treat everyone like they are inmates... I don't get it and I don't think it's good for long term mindsets.
 
It's why there are powerful groups in this country acting vigorously to destroy the public school systems.

If you can control what they teach, you can make sure they're not thinking.

If you can get people in the habit of asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers.

What I find really concerning is the local harassment of boards and board members. It's becoming more common that people go to the meetings with the objective of raising cane, with no real information. You've got internet provocateurs (e.g. Matt Walsh) traveling to board meetings in places where he doesn't live and his kids don't attend school.

So much of what they are spreading is based on what Carlson, Rufo, Lindsay, et al are proselytizing on TV and social media. I am - and have been - critical of school board decisions. Including the one up here where my kids attend a Catholic K-8 school. But I am actually invested in the students whereas the rest are invested for other reasons, narrowing curriculum being one.

I see so much of the post-Sputnik paranoia (which was preceded by the Tylerian rationale... what is old is new again) and the response only takes education backward.
 
What I find really concerning is the local harassment of boards and board members. It's becoming more common that people go to the meetings with the objective of raising cane, with no real information. You've got internet provocateurs (e.g. Matt Walsh) traveling to board meetings in places where he doesn't live and his kids don't attend school.

So much of what they are spreading is based on what Carlson, Rufo, Lindsay, et al are proselytizing on TV and social media. I am - and have been - critical of school board decisions. Including the one up here where my kids attend a Catholic K-8 school. But I am actually invested in the students whereas the rest are invested for other reasons, narrowing curriculum being one.

I see so much of the post-Sputnik paranoia (which was preceded by the Tylerian rationale... what is old is new again) and the response only takes education backward.

Damn, where have you been? I hope you have been well at least.
 

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