Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (8 Viewers)

[StudioSaint]

The self assured statements of “well Carr’s camp didn’t say anything regarding this so it can’t be true” is amusing to say the least.

Who has said that? I haven't seen anyone say that. What I've seen is people say Carr not speaking about it proves it's true. I've also seen people say Carr not speaking up doesn't prove anything. I have not seen anyone say, "well Carr’s camp didn’t say anything regarding this so it can’t be true."

While it is true that one can’t prove a negative, it is entirely possible that the story is true.

Yes, it's possible that the story is accurate.

Are posters so sure that this can’t be a possibility?

I haven't seen anyone say that it can be possible. I have seen several people say that it's not possible that it's not true.

Because looking at it objectively rather than a like or dislike of Carr is the only valid way I can see to evaluate the situation.

Speculation inherently leans toward being subjective.

To say nothing of the fact that IF is true, both the Saints and Carr have every reason to keep it quiet if for no other reason than hope, however small of trading him at some point.

That's just another way of saying that lack of proof that it's false is evidence that it's true. That's a logical fallacy and it's not objective.

 

[sfidc3]

I also don't understand why it matters if Carr wanted to be traded or not, he's here now and will be our starter (barring a preseason injury).....I really don't think he will be here after 2025 anyways.....

 

[St. Widge]

Just as amusing as believing unverified reports by reporters/bloggers that often put out speculation in order to get clicks.

Seems more like “it’s on the internet so it has to be true” syndrome.

They are not unverified reports. They have been verified by multiple outlets with multiple sources in addition to 60Minutes who has been verified multiple times, including by Andrus, as someone who has inside information.

If you chose to not believe it despite confirmation from multiple sources, then fine, but don't pretend that it's just speculation and click bait.

 

[St. Geezy]

That's the odd thing. I've not seen anyone say definitively that Carr didn't ask to be traded. What people are saying is there isn't verification of the rumors that are based solely on unknown and unqualified sources.

Contrast that with people saying that we definitively "know" that Carr asked for a trade and/or still wants to be traded based solely on unverified reports from unknown and unqualified sources.

Yet, somehow it's the first group of people who are refusing to accept reality? It's not even a case of being wrong or admitting being wrong to acknowledge that none of us know for sure what happened and how things are between Carr and the Saints.

But, but people with no actual quotes or sourcing in their articles have WRITTEN about it! Looks at these links! "They can't all be wrong."

"Hey, see, this guy we have harassed and bullied and like to spin everything he says into a negative isn't denying the story publicly and is laying low and out of the media like 95% of the rest of the roster is this time of year, so it must be true!"

I'm not even sure what the point of these arguments are at this stage. So what if the guy initially inquired about a trade being a possibility prior to the team committing to him regarding a restructure? This is pointless.

I guess it gives hope to the people that want Carr gone that he will eventually talk his way out of the building maybe?

This bickering is pointless.

 

[StudioSaint]

We don't know that he didn't give them a list. All we know is that he asked for a trade and the Saints refused and instead restructured the contract to create cap space.

You believe Carr asked for a trade because you choose to believe the people who said they have sources and you also choose to believe their sources are accurate. That is belief. It is not knowledge. You don't know that what those people or their sources say is accurate.

 

[St. Widge]

The entire process that went on that off season confirms it was true. It wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t. He also stated he wanted out of Houston the year before!

The same is true of Carr asking for a trade and yet you refuse to believe it until Carr confirms it with his own mouth.

 

[Ghost]

That's just another way of saying that lack of proof that it's false is evidence that it's true. That's a logical fallacy and it's not objective.

While I can see how you see it as Appeal to Ignorance fallacy, that is not my contention.

You’ll note I prefaced with “if true.” I have no way of knowing (none of us do) as to whether it is true or false. Thus a speculative statement. I even capitalized IF for emphasis later.

If anything I have not said that is my contention and would be a straw man, no?

 

[StudioSaint]

They are not unverified reports. They have been verified by multiple outlets with multiple sources in addition to 60Minutes who has been verified multiple times, including by Andrus, as someone who has inside information.

When did 60minutes say Carr asked for a trade or wanted to be traded? I must have missed it.

Saying "I have anonymous and unqualified sources" is not journalistic standards or best practices for verifying a story for the general public.

If you chose to not believe it despite confirmation from multiple sources, then fine, but don't pretend that it's just speculation and click bait.

Don't pretend that it's impossible that it's just speculation and click bait either.

 

[JackDiesel]

It’s just as ridiculous to claim it’s true when no one directly involved (the team and Carr’s camp) have publicly confirmed it.

And how do you think that'd go over if they did? I mean let's apply some common sense to the situation. Saints would be facing an absolute PR nightmare that would sink ticket sales. And Carr would go from being disliked to full blown hated. It would create a circus that neither the Saints or Carr would want.

Underhill has never been the reporter to post things for clicks. His business model doesn't even work like that. He has subscribers and what do you think would happen if those subscribers started unsubscribing because he started sensationalizing stories or straight up making things up? He makes a living off his reputation and I don't see him jeopardizing that over a story like this.

 

[StudioSaint]

Who said it’s true?

This poster has said it repeatedly. Here's them doing it just few post up from yours.

We don't know that he didn't give them a list. All we know is that he asked for a trade and the Saints refused and instead restructured the contract to create cap space.

What I commented on was because there was the commentary of “because it wasn’t commented on by the saints or Carr’s camp” it is false...

Quote who actually said that please, because I haven't seen it?

 

[St. Geezy]

When did 60minutes say Carr asked for a trade or wanted to be traded? I must have missed it.

Saying "I have anonymous and unqualified sources" is not journalistic standards or best practices for verifying a store for the general public.


Don't pretend that it's impossible that it's just speculation and click bait either.

I don't think people here understand journalism, even as it relates to sports. If this story had legs, it would contain sources, it would contain quotes from anonymous parties, words like “I have been told by someone close to Carr/the Saints,” etc. What we have is just hearsay currently, and I promise you that most of the hearsay is just small time reporters repeating what a a bigger name reporter or two has said in the same un-sourced fashion.

I do think Carr likely asked about the possibility of a trade mind you, but these weekly updated/re-worded headlines about the same situation are indeed just click-bait and are not something creating an extra layer of verification of a story or an indication that there is still a problem going on the way some want to spin it.

 

[Rexman100]

And I’d be more than fine if we did. 0-17 and the number one pick in the draft….gimme that QB baby! Not a guarantee but it’s a good shot…

I hear ya, but I’d rather 4-13 and still the first pick in the draft. 0-17 is fire everyone world. I’m only throwing out 0-17, to remind people, that getting rid of good players, will make your team worse. Hating and wishing DC4 was gone will only result in everyone getting fired. The only way that DC4 is gone and we succeed is if we trade up for Ward, and he’s a “ready to go baller” like Jayden Daniels. Or if Shadeur hits. Then the probability drops off, to Rattler making a second year jump into starting material. Then the probability falls, and one of this years QBs hits, Shough, Dart etc is able to start immediately and make an impact. The sure thing that keeps the band together is, DC4 as QB1. Do not get rid of DC4 until they have someone better, should be their thinking.

 

[St. Widge]

I don't think people here understand journalism, even as it relates to sports. If this story had legs, it would contain sources, it would contain quotes from anonymous parties, etc. What we have is just hearsay currently, and I promise you that most of the hearsay is just small time reporters repeating what a a bigger name reporter or two has said in the same un-sourced fashion.

I do think Carr likely asked about the possibility of a trade mind you, but these weekly updated/re-worded headlines about the same situation are indeed just click-bait and are not something creating an extra layer of verification of a story or an indication that there is still a problem going on the way some want to spin it.

I think I understand journalism just fine, but thanks for the condescension.

And you believe Carr talked to the team about the possibility of a trade, but for some reason you are willing to fight tooth and nail to say that Carr didn't ask for a trade? I honestly don't understand this.

 

[Nolan]

When did 60minutes say Carr asked for a trade or wanted to be traded? I must have missed it.

Saying "I have anonymous and unqualified sources" is not journalistic standards or best practices for verifying a store for the general public.