Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (1 Viewer)

[StudioSaint]

While I can see how you see it as Appeal to Ignorance fallacy, that is not my contention.

You’ll note I prefaced with “if true.” I have no way of knowing (none of us do) as to whether it is true or false. Thus a speculative statement. I even capitalized IF for emphasis later.

If anything I have not said that is my contention and would be a straw man, no?

No it's not a strawman on my part and you making it a contingent argument doesn't change that your claim sets up a logical fallacy. The Saints and Carr might have a reason to keep it quiet, but they also might have reasons not to keep it quiet, so it's an irrelevant point and the only reason to include it in a syllogism is to argue that the lack of proof is evidence of something.

 

[Jd101]

But, but people with no actual quotes or sourcing in their articles have WRITTEN about it! Looks at these links! "They can't all be wrong."

"Hey, see, this guy we have harassed and bullied and like to spin everything he says into a negative isn't denying the story publicly and is laying low and out of the media like 95% of the rest of the roster is this time of year, so it must be true!"

I'm not even sure what the point of these arguments are at this stage. So what if the guy initially inquired about a trade being a possibility prior to the team committing to him regarding a restructure? This is pointless.

I guess it gives hope to the people that want Carr gone that he will eventually talk his way out of the building maybe?

This bickering is pointless.

Amen

 

[St. Geezy]

I think I understand journalism just fine, but thanks for the condescension.

And you believe Carr talked to the team about the possibility of a trade, but for some reason you are willing to fight tooth and nail to say that Carr didn't ask for a trade? I honestly don't understand this.

I didn’t realize I was fighting tooth and nail that Carr didn’t ask for a trade; in fact, I have acknowledged the exact opposite. Could you please point to me where I have said this?

All I have done is talked about the sensationalizing of it, the turning of it into a mountain out of a mole hill with the weekly reworded headlines, and the seeming urge by some for this to grow bigger legs and be characterized as an ongoing problem so that the team gets rid of the player.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I think I understand journalism just fine, but thanks for the condescension.

And you believe Carr talked to the team about the possibility of a trade, but for some reason you are willing to fight tooth and nail to say that Carr didn't ask for a trade? I honestly don't understand this.

Whatever Widge.
You’ve admitted you’re an attorney and we all know how terrible and dumb attorneys are.

Just give it up already, council.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I didn’t realize I was fighting tooth and nail that Carr didn’t ask for a trade; in fact, I have acknowledged the exact opposite. Could you please point to me where I have said this?

All I have done is talked about the sensationalizing of it, the turning of it into a mountain out of a mole hill with the weekly reworded headlines, and the seeming urge by some for this to grow bigger legs and be characterized as an ongoing problem so that the team gets rid of the player.

I think the player wants/ed to get rid of the team lol.

Personally don’t want the team to get rid of the player, no hate from me. He can lead the tank just fine.

Just nail the draft baby!

 

[Pocket Hercules]

IMO DB was ready to retire after the 19 season and word got out that Brady wanted to come work with SP and then he changed his mind and came back. That threw a monkey wrench into the plans.
Had DB retired after 19 and Brady came here we could have easily drafted Love instead of Ruiz and we would have had or QB of the future

It was not kicking the can that messed up the cap it was Covid

I am not following the logic here.

A HOF QB comes back from the edge of retirement for one more season = we choose an IOL, but a FA HOF QB comes in and signs a multi-year deal = we choose a QB?

If anything, it would have been the opposite if we really wanted to draft Love.

 

[Ghost]

No it's not a strawman on my part and you making it a contingent argument doesn't change that your claim sets up a logical fallacy. The Saints and Carr might have a reason to keep it quiet, but they also might have reasons not to keep it quiet, so it's an irrelevant point and the only reason to include it in a syllogism is to argue that the lack of proof is evidence of something.

Yeah we’re going to have to disagree on that one.

I see no issue with speculation and working out a line of logical reasoning and trying to deduce is something is possible or not. A rigorous critique should always be welcome.

And again I’m not arguing one way of their other as to the truth of the claims.
My point is it’s entirely possible and pointing out those that object to it out of hand?

 

[texasjefe]

If I have time I'll try and find the exact words Nick said.

I found it and you all can hear it in the tweet below. It's one of Nick's little Matt Bowers Auto-group non $9.95 segments. It's the one linked in the CBS article, and in the OP.

Nick is commenting on the Saints visits to QB's, with the premise that they must be looking for a new QB. He essentially says, "oh by the way, Carr asked for a trade, BEFORE THE RESTRUCTURE.'

Hey Nick, if you're reading this - SHADDUP, or follow some journalistic ethics by giving context and detail to your lazy "free" reporting.



The only real headline here, is that when Mickey decided to exercise his option to restructure, there was a very normal discussion about 'did any options exist, besides the restructure?' THAT'S ALL.

How does Nick even know that? If he does, he should report with context and detail, or do what he does with a lot of other stories - delays or buries it. And if he got it from a source, then just say, "I got this from a well-placed source." (which he did not do to my knowledge.)

The Saints need a future QB and thank God they are running the traps on these prospects. If DA were still here, they would still be getting aroused looking at some safety from Weberville Jones Tech Northwest Montana St, in the Little Plains Conference.

 

[StudioSaint]

That reads to me like 60minutes giving his opinion on reasons that Carr might not have wanted a restructure. It doesn't seem like verification that Carr didn't want to be with the Saints anymore. This was the question asked that 60minutes replied to:

Does anyone know why Carr would oppose this restructuring, unless it had to do with him not wanting to be on the team?

Usually when someone uses "[s/ed]" it's an indication that either could be a possibility. but neither are known. If 60minutes was confirming a source told him something, I'd expect him to either say Carr no longer "wants" or "wanted" to be on the team.

 

[texasjefe]

You are Derek Carr. (Put aside any of your fan feelings, both ways.)

You are told by your agents that your contract allows the Saints to restructure without your input. You are told that you may be with the Saints for two more years because of the insane dead caps tied to your restructures.

So you might ask - is a trade possible?

That's all we know. No one can say "he asked for a trade as if he did not want to be here." In my view, he was just getting updated on what the options were in his contract, period.

I'll say it again. it's the offseason. Business is business is business is business is business!

The cap rules everything.

 

[StudioSaint]

Yeah we’re going to have to disagree on that one.

I see no issue with speculation and working out a line of logical reasoning and trying to deduce is something is possible or not. A rigorous critique should always be welcome.

And again I’m not arguing one way of their other as to the truth of the claims.
My point is it’s entirely possible and pointing out those that object to it out of hand?

People are objecting to people saying it's a definite fact that we know. They are not objecting to saying it's possibility.

Why do you keep misrepresenting what's actually being said?

 

[Ghost]

You are Derek Carr. (Put aside any of your fan feelings, both ways.)

You are told by your agents that your contract allows the Saints to restructure without your input. You are told that you may be with the Saints for two more years because of the insane dead caps tied to your restructures.

So you might ask - is a trade possible?

That's all we know. No one can say "he asked for a trade as if he did not want to be here." In my view, he was just getting updated on what the options were in his contract, period.

I'll say it again. it's the offseason. Business is business is business is business is business!

The cap rules everything.

Impossible to like this enough. Football stopped being a sport decades ago. It’s a business first and foremost.

Everything else is secondary, only question is how far the gap between the $ and the rest.

 

[jahsoul357]

It was not kicking the can that messed up the cap it was Covid

That's what I meant. The COVID season killed the cap which destroyed our year to year strategy of kicking the can.

 

[Nolan]

That reads to me like 60minutes giving his opinion on reasons that Carr might not have wanted a restructure. It doesn't seem like verification that Carr didn't want to. This was the question asked that 60minutes replied to:



Usually when someone uses "[s/ed]" it's an indication that either could be a possibility. but neither are known. If 60minutes was confirming a source told him something, I'd expect him to either say Carr no longer "wants" or "wanted" to be on the team.

Are you being serious? I can't tell if this is a bit or not. If you're actually being serious, this is how 60 posts. He's connected, and a good portion of this board knows that. He doesn't drop a 'per source' with his posts. This is how he gives his information. If those are the reasons he's not wanting to be restructured, then it's the same thing as requesting a trade or release. The only reason any player would ever be against a restructure (in this case Carr had no choice), is if they don't want to be a part of the team anymore.