Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (10 Viewers)

[JackDiesel]

I don't do false idols.

I'm able to piece together a reasonable interpretation of the events without foggy insiders.

Oh good lord.

You asked for context, I remember what was going on in that thread at the time and gave it to you.

 

[St. Geezy]

I thought that was the position you took long ago but maybe not. If it's not, I guess I'm wrong and I apologize.

I don't see all the sensationalizing you do, but I'm not going to argue about it. My only point here is that I don't understand why people continue to refuse to believe Carr asked for a trade when it has been backed up by multiple reliable sources, including 60Minutes.

To be clear, I'm not saying he's a bad guy for it, I'm not saying he's going to be traded at this point, I'm not saying he won't be the starting QB this year, and I'm not saying that it's going to cause issues on the team.

My beef has always been the “Ongoing problem” characterization of it, including immediately after the team made it clear they want him back, and now afterwards with the weekly new headlines of the same story, and people using his silence as some sort of confirmation that it’s still an issue.

To tell you the truth, I can’t blame him if he initially asked for a trade prior to us making it clear we wanted to commit…he’s an older QB now that is dealing with a new HC that likely wants his own young guy at the position, he has a loud vocal majority jerk of a fanbase that absolutely despises him and treats him as if he is the worst QB that’s ever lived, and the guy that stomped for him to be here had just been fired, etc.

He probably felt like he was a goner.

Clearly the team felt otherwise about him, even if only temporarily for one or two years, and he very well may have (and to me likely has) changed his tune and is ready to get to work when the time comes.

 

[jahsoul357]

Bull! That was years ago, and EVERY SINGLE TEAM had to deal with it. Mickey was kicking the can LONG before COVID. If a team can't absorb a down year on the spreadsheet, they have serious financial mismanagement issues.

What's bull? The concept of kicking the can down the road is the cap increase will help buffer that. That cap from 2020 to 2021 dropped around $16 million.

 

[St. Widge]

Hahaha, I stayed out of this thread and it feels great

I tried, but I got sucked back into the vortex again. I should know better by now.

 

[St. Widge]

My beef has always been the “Ongoing problem” characterization of it, including immediately after the team made it clear they want him back, and now afterwards with the weekly new headlines of the same story, and people using his silence as some sort of confirmation that it’s still an issue.

To tell you the truth, I can’t blame him if he initially asked for a trade prior to us making it clear we wanted to commit…he’s an older QB now that is dealing with a new HC that likely wants his own young guy at the position, he has a loud vocal majority jerk of a fanbase that absolutely despises him and treats him as if he is the worst QB that’s ever lived, and the guy that stomped for him to be here had just been fired, etc.

He probably felt like he was a goner.

Clearly the team felt otherwise about him, even if only temporarily for one or two years, and he very well may have (and to me likely has) changed his tune and is ready to get to work when the time comes.

Maybe I am reading others wrong, but I don't think the silence is being used to prove that there is still an issue. At least I'm not. All I'm saying is that if this was a false story repeated this many times, someone at a minimum would have leaked to some reporter that it's not true. But, I'm not claiming that he is still asking for a trade.

It's entirely possible, if not likely, that Carr is now fine with playing here for one more year and even if he isn't, he's not going to make it an issue on the team. If for no other reason, he needs to have good year so he can try to get a long term contract next year whether it is here or someplace else. It would do him no good to tear the team apart and as a result have a bad year.

 

[texasjefe]

What's bull? The concept of kicking the can down the road is the cap increase will help buffer that. That cap from 2020 to 2021 dropped around $16 million.

Yeah, Mickey got bit in the butt with his high risk cap management, and here we are, 4 seasons later with an average of 7 wins per with consecutive season of dead caps that are ridiculous, and rob the team of 2 high priced free agents per season and about 5 other regular priced players.. That's on Mickey.

 

[BreesusSaves]

I tried, but I got sucked back into the vortex again. I should know better by now.

 

[texasjefe]

Oh good lord.

You asked for context, I remember what was going on in that thread at the time and gave it to you.

Seriously, post it again. This is a fast flowing river right now.

 

[Elvis]

I’ve stayed out of a lot of back and forth once I properly identified who to put on my ignore list.

This particular one is silly in that it’s arguing over what already happened and can’t be changed. Why and in what order and who said or wanted what is irrelevant.

Where we go from here is all that is relevant and nobody really talks about that.

 

[St. Geezy]

Maybe I am reading others wrong, but I don't think the silence is being used to prove that there is still an issue. At least I'm not. All I'm saying is that if this was a false story repeated this many times, someone at a minimum would have leaked to some reporter that it's not true. But, I'm not claiming that he is still asking for a trade.

It's entirely possible, if not likely, that Carr is now fine with playing here for one more year and even if he isn't, he's not going to make it an issue on the team. If for no other reason, he needs to have good year so he can try to get a long term contract next year whether it is here or someplace else. It would do him no good to tear the team apart and as a result have a bad year.

I just feel like the story rehashing is being served up by (some of) the media to fan flames that are already put out, and there are some here and in the “bloggersphere” trying to throw gas on it to assist. You may not see it, but I see it as just an effort create more anger and consternation around Carr.

There is a reason that the people stomping hardest for this story to remain relevant are those that were seemingly hurt the most or most angered by the team choosing to keep him.

Maybe it’s a psychological pacifier for them to know/believe that things aren’t all hunky-dory between the Saints and Carr and that there is still a chance for a blowup. I don’t know.

 

[texasjefe]

Bottom line, Carr inquiring about a trade either innocently or with anger in the midst of a contract status discussion SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN REPORTED!. Without offering further insight into Carr's state of mind, that's not reporting, that's what we call a LEAK. Yes, we all love leaks, but not when they lead to unfounded witch-hunts.

When Carr came, I was happy we got a starter but I said he's going to have to play his best ball, better than ever before. What I saw in Oakland and Vegas for years was a gunslinger who did not put up enough points. Put aside the coaching carousel with the Raiders, my take is that the Raiders never gave him enough weapons. And that repeated here, with the injuries certainly, but because of cap constraints, including the Saints proven inability to even absorb Carr's mid-tier contract, which is why we're here writing about the dysfunction.

No, Josh McDaniels was not the problem, just a symptom of Raiders' dysfunction, no matter how much Stinkers, who presents as a Carr acquaintance, wants to rant against him. Josh was only Carr's coach in his last year. Earlier, in Gruden's time, the Henry Ruggs problem was devastating to them. Losing Gruden, who was both stupid and undisciplined in his racist texts - but also a victim of a Goodell power play, was also devastating.

This is all offseason fodder, meaningless. The Saints started cap cleanup last year, and now it's certain that cap cleanup will go through 2027 and hopefully not 2028. The Saints have a new coach, and 3 QB-centric coaches including Kellen. This is absolutely the best situation for Carr to play for these guys, hopefully have a healthy team around him (which is totally required because he's a mid) and leverage himself for his next contract.

 

[Tim+]

It’s pretty obvious that he doesn’t want to be here anymore after not even showing up during the week of the Super Bowl.

The fanbase never warmed up to Carr and even cheered for Taysom Hill during a game in the dome. His HC Dennis Allen is gone and then you add MT and Olave’s brother talking smack as well. There’s just a bunch of negativity surrounding Carr and he probably feels he’s played pretty well while here (which he has) and even fought through injuries to play. It also sounds like he was approached to take a pay cut. He probably doesn’t feel appreciated.

It’s time to move on as the situation is just completely sour and if he doesn’t want to be here, then Loomis needs to figure this mess out somehow.

Yep, time to just bite the bullet! Just deal with the cap issue head on and let the rebuild begin!

 

[St. Widge]

I just feel like the story rehashing is being served up by (some of) the media to fan flames that are already put out, and there are some here and in the “bloggersphere” trying to throw gas on it to assist. You may not see it, but I see it as just an effort create more anger and consternation around Carr.

There is a reason that the people stomping hardest for this story to remain relevant are those that were seemingly hurt the most or most angered by the team choosing to keep him.

Maybe it’s a psychological pacifier for them to know/believe that things aren’t all hunky-dory between the Saints and Carr and that there is still a chance for a blowup. I don’t know.

In the interest of full disclosure I essentially get all of my Saints information here or from NewOrleans.football. I don't really have time to keep up with other sources or other pods and I don't really care to. I don't even watch any national or local sports shows.

So, maybe it's out there and I just don't see all the uses of this story to push agendas. It wouldn't be the first time that I was unaware of what is going on in the broader culture of Saints fandom.

But I do know that Underhill hasn't really mentioned Carr asking for a trade since around the time that his deal was restructured. And, even when he reported it at that time, he reported it to show that the Saints wanted to keep Carr at least for this year and to end any narrative that Moore or Loomis wanted him gone. He did not say that Carr still wanted a trade and did not say that it would be a problem. In fact, IIRC, both Nick an Tripp said that they think Carr is a professional and would play to the best of his ability this year.

I believe any time that the idea of a trade still happening now comes up both Nick and Tripp have said it's not going to happen given the dead cap hit and how much would have to be paid to a player not on your team. So, if others are using their report to push a narrative, it's without them pushing it along.

 

[MikeyF]

We don't know that he didn't give them a list. All we know is that he asked for a trade and the Saints refused and instead restructured the contract to create cap space.

You really think that if he gave them a list it would not have been leaked to the press....
Also I haven't read any where online where a reliable source said that he asked for a trade...

Come on!