Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (9 Viewers)

[texasjefe]

Carr is more likely than not gone in 2026.
For us, cap wise there is no difference if we trade him june 2nd - start of the season vs 2026 offseason.

Are you factoring in a 2026 dead cap charge?

John Sigler:

The salary camp impact of trading or releasing Carr after June 1, 2025 is the same: $1,255,000 in savings and $19,207,000 left over in dead money on this year's cap sheet. But a whopping $59,670,000 would get punted onto the 2026 salary cap. The Saints don't have any dead money on next year's books, yet, but that's going to change once Ryan Ramczyk files his retirement papers this summer. More dead money will come in as players leave the team next offseason, either through retiring themselves or being released outright.

They'll incur a $20M dead cap charge if they move him after June 1, 2026, but they have to carry his $69M salary cap charge on league year day 1 in March 2026, which may limit 2026 free agent spending.

 

[St. Geezy]

Seriously? He said nothing about ongoing angst between the team and Carr. He's just pointing out the reasons why they are in the QB market. It's because Carr is 34 and only has one year left after this one at a crazy base salary. And yes, part of it is that he asked for a trade a month ago so yes, it's an indication that he is not completely happy with the situation in New Orleans. Nothing Nick said was bashing Carr in any way or claiming that there is bad blood.

Never said Nick was bashing Carr. What are you even talking about???

 

[Pocket Hercules]

I'm in the "keeping an open mind" camp on this topic. It's possible that he requested a trade, was open to a trade, or may not have requested a trade. I also think that it's possible (not probable) that we trade up to take Ward, or stay put and select Dart, and decide at some point after the draft to trade Carr. I think the only way this happens is if (under this hypothetical) the new rookie QB and/or Rattler are killing it in OTA's/training camp AND another team's established starter goes down for a large chunk of the season, prompting said team to look for a life raft.

I'm also of the opinion that as long as Derek Carr is under contract with the Saints, he'll give his all to play as well as he can and try his best to win, regardless of what has happened in the past. He comes across to me as a high character guy who loves football, wants to win, and understand that every season is especially precious at this point in his career.

The speculation/reporting/whatever regarding his offseason feelings about the Saints is a nothing-burger to me.

 

[St. Widge]

Never said Nick was bashing Carr. What are you even talking about???

Then what are you saying?

I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to get from you quoting one part of what Nick said and saying "Ok great, it’s “tenuous at best.” Now what? What exactly is it that people are trying to prove here?"

 

[DerrickB]

It just seems really odd to me the gymnastics that a few are going through to try and discredit these reports. For years, Underhill has been the only guy we trust around here, he's been like our local Schefter. Now suddenly we're dissecting his verbiage to try and discredit what he's saying? For years, we've appreciated 60minutes insider information and contributions to this board when he drops his nuggets. Now his nuggets mean nothing?

It's just weird. Really really weird.

It was bound to happen eventually.

 

[St. Geezy]

Then what are you saying?

I don't even know at this stage. I was more so addressing the poster that felt the need to point out the "'Their situation with Derek Carr is tenuous at best'" part, and also addressing the supporters of this narrative in general, but it's either here nor there.

Kind of feel like there is a bit of a moving target and quite honestly I am not up for exerting much more effort on the topic.

For as much as we disagree, I must say even @Elvis is right...the whole debate is pointless.

 

[AdamWest]

Hmmm, we reported the exact same thing about 2-3 weeks prior....

 

[jdpower13]

Are you factoring in a 2026 dead cap charge?

John Sigler:


They'll incur a $20M dead cap charge if they move him after June 1, 2026, but they have to carry his $69M salary cap charge on league year day 1 in March 2026, which may limit 2026 free agent spending.

I could be wrong, but I think if we move on from Carr :

Before june 1st 2025 : Not a real possibility because we would need 58M in cap right now to absorb the dead money

After june 1st 2025 : 20M dead money in 2025, 59M in 2026. Current cap hit in 2026 is 69M so we would save 10M. Is eating 59M dead money in 1 year + throwing a 2025 rookie QB into the fire worth a 3rd round pick at best (I'm guessing) = idk, maybe

2026 offseason (at that point I think trading him is not a realistic possibility) :

1. Standard cut does the same thing as 2025, so 59M in dead money in 2026.
2. Post june 1st 2026 designation. In that scenario Carr is a free agent at the start of the league year just like a standard cut. The difference is that we carry his cap hit until june 1st 2026, after that its 19M dead money in 2026 and 40M in 2027. Like I said previously, his cap hit in 2026 is 69M, but I think we can renegotiate that. Example : We approach Carr and ask him to drop his 40M non guaranteed base salary to 1M in exchange for a 1M signing bonus. He accepts because it's a free 1M and either way he's a free agent at the start of the 2026 year league. His cap hit is now closer to 30M. We carry that till june 1st 2026, then, again, 19M dead money in 2026, 40M in 2027 + that 1M we gave him to accept the renegotiation).

 

[St. Geezy]

Hmmm, we reported the exact same thing about 2-3 weeks prior....

You and everyone else, some multiple times even. Get in line.

 

[AdamWest]

I could be wrong, but I think if we move on from Carr :

Before june 1st 2025 : Not a real possibility because we would need 58M in cap right now to absorb the dead money

After june 1st 2025 : 20M dead money in 2025, 59M in 2026. Current cap hit in 2026 is 69M so we would save 10M. Is eating 59M dead money in 1 year + throwing a 2025 rookie QB into the fire worth a 3rd pick at best (im guessing) = idk, maybe

2026 offseason :

1. Standard cut, same thing as previous, so 59M in dead money in 2026.
2. Post june 1st 2026 designation. In that scenario Carr is a free agent just like a standard cut. The difference is that we carry his cap hit until june 1st 2026, after that its 19M dead money in 2026 and 40M in 2027. Like I said previously, his cap hit in 2026 is 69M, but I think we can renegotiate that. Example : We approach Carr and ask him to drop his 40M non guaranteed base salary to 1M in exchange for a 1M signing bonus. He accepts because it's a free 1M and either way he's a free agent at the start of the 2026 year league. His cap hit is now closer to 30M. We carry that till june 1st 2026, then, again, 19M dead money in 2026, 40M in 2027 + that 1M we gave him to accept the renegotiation).

The team wants to draft a QB badly in the top 10 if they can. Tried to trade up for Penix last year. They've been signaling for two years that they haven't thought Carr wasn't the long-term solution. Also, a huge thing is... he does not want to play in New Orleans, at all. So, that is a huge factor into things as well.

 

[AdamWest]

You and everyone else, some multiple times even. Get in line.

We were the first ones to report that Derek Carr wanted to be still be traded after the FA period 2-3 weeks ago before anyone else so I don't have to get in line for anyone but thanks!

 

[St. Widge]

I don't even know at this stage. I was more so addressing the poster that felt the need to point out the "'Their situation with Derek Carr is tenuous at best'" part, and also addressing the supporters of this narrative in general, but it's either here nor there.

Kind of feel like there is a bit of a moving target and quite honestly I am not up for exerting much more effort on the topic.

For as much as we disagree, I must say even @Elvis is right...the whole debate is pointless.

I think that poster was just fact checking me because I said Nick had not talked about Carr having asked to be traded and he posted that video 3 days ago where he mentions it as part of why the Saints are doing so much work on QBs and that they are in the market for a young QB.

But yes, the entire thing is pointless but it never seems to end and I'm like a moth to a flame with it.

 

[jdpower13]

I think that poster was just fact checking me because I said Nick had not talked about Carr having asked to be traded and he posted that video 3 days ago where he mentions it as part of why the Saints are doing so much work on QBs and that they are in the market for a young QB.

But yes, the entire thing is pointless but it never seems to end and I'm like a moth to a flame with it.

Yes that's what I was doing, sorry for the confusion

 

[Chuck McGill Esq.]

I think that poster was just fact checking me because I said Nick had not talked about Carr having asked to be traded and he posted that video 3 days ago where he mentions it as part of why the Saints are doing so much work on QBs and that they are in the market for a young QB.

But yes, the entire thing is pointless but it never seems to end and I'm like a moth to a flame with it.

If Carr does anything well, he drives content on this board like no other.