Opinion Chase Young looks undisciplined (1 Viewer)

[St. Geezy]

No squabbles, friendly disagreements. We are able to do what you're saying. I just don't think it's smart. Players get hurt, players decline, players don't fit the scheme like you think they will, you get new coaches that want different players, etc. Then you are stuck with those players or have to take on a ton of dead money. When void years are involved it makes the price tag even larger.

Doing this once in a while for a player when they don't quite fit under the cap when it's close is one thing. Doing it when you just had to clear $60 mil of cap by doing the exact same thing with guys already on your roster is just dumb. Maybe it seems smart if you're a top 5 team, it definitely doesn't when you're a bottom 5 team.

What if it is our mere perception that we are doing this for players we no longer want but in reality the team still views Demario Davis as a guy they want starting, Cam Jordan and Tyrann Mathieu still having roles to some degree, etc.? Most of the restructures we're doing, to me, are for guys we plan to have anyway.

I have noticed we have started using void years a lot more as well rather than just straight relying on restructures, so that should help us to pull from future years a little more cleanly and that should help us to be able to release players when we want to more often.

This upcoming year, we can clear nearly $100m in salaries to bring us close to $40m under simply via a small handful of restructures to be able to stack more players on top of what we have. That's without cutting anyone, and $40m is ample space to add some good talent to the roster, which should be healthy come training camp.

I don't think we are so far away that abandoning the strategy altogether needs to be on the table. And, as I indicated before, I am not really sure if it is really even some advantageous "strategy," it is just a different way of doing things that looks different on paper.

The Derek Carr contract probably is the one that has screwed us though. Even though I do like him as a QB despite what others think, we likely should not have splurged like that on a player of his ilk.

Sorry for rambling a bit.

 

[Elvis]

What if it is our mere perception that we are doing this for players we no longer want but in reality the team still views Demario Davis as a guy they want starting, Cam Jordan and Tyrann Mathieu still having roles to some degree, etc.? Most of the restructures we're doing, to me, are for guys we plan to have anyway.

I have noticed we have started using void years a lot more as well rather than just straight relying on restructures, so that should help us to pull from future years a little more cleanly and that should help us to be able to release players when we want to more often.

This upcoming year, we can clear nearly $100m in salaries to bring us close to $40m under simply via a small handful of restructures to be able to stack more players on top of what we have. That's without cutting anyone, and $40m is ample space to add some good talent to the roster, which should be healthy come training camp.

I don't think we are so far away that abandoning the strategy altogether needs to be on the table. And, as I indicated before, I am not really sure if it is really even some advantageous "strategy," it is just a different way of doing things that looks different on paper.

The Derek Carr contract probably is the one that has screwed us though. Even though I do like him as a QB despite what others think, we likely should not have splurged like that on a player of his ilk.

Sorry for rambling a bit.

Every restructure is new guaranteed money to those players. If you max it out, you ensure those players are staying put. I can count on one hand how many players we have that deserve such a restructure. It’s not worth the future restrictions.

 

[MikeyF]

What if it is our mere perception that we are doing this for players we no longer want but in reality the team still views Demario Davis as a guy they want starting, Cam Jordan and Tyrann Mathieu still having roles to some degree, etc.? Most of the restructures we're doing, to me, are for guys we plan to have anyway.

I have noticed we have started using void years a lot more as well rather than just straight relying on restructures, so that should help us to pull from future years a little more cleanly and that should help us to be able to release players when we want to more often.

This upcoming year, we can clear nearly $100m in salaries to bring us close to $40m under simply via a small handful of restructures to be able to stack more players on top of what we have. That's without cutting anyone, and $40m is ample space to add some good talent to the roster, which should be healthy come training camp.

I don't think we are so far away that abandoning the strategy altogether needs to be on the table. And, as I indicated before, I am not really sure if it is really even some advantageous "strategy," it is just a different way of doing things that looks different on paper.

The Derek Carr contract probably is the one that has screwed us though. Even though I do like him as a QB despite what others think, we likely should not have splurged like that on a player of his ilk.

Sorry for rambling a bit.

Good write up!

Carr's contract started out as descent but we escalated it too quickly without having any incentives in it...
That was a mistake. As I posted in another post, Carr will be overpaid by $10-15 million next year based on his games and stats this year.
That $10-15 million would have helped our cap situation out immensely in 2025.

 

[cygnus_ltb]

I am not a fan of those analysis that find one play in one game to try and prove that a player's productivity is irrelevant. Every player in the NFL has bad plays so using one play as an example just seems a bit useless. He definitely is hot and cold, but personally, for the right price, I would like to retain him.

I'm sure Elliasjwilliams can find many, many examples of poor play. I watched him during several games; and while I'm no expert, he seemed to me to run up to the tackle and pitty pat with hands and continue running past the quarterback, leaving huge escape routes many times during almost every game I can remember focusing on his play. I suspect he has the talent and tools, but lacks a lot of effort and technique and discipline in my novice observation.

 

[sainthood]

The Saints need to think long term first not short term first. Anyone not in the long term plans needs to go. We need young players to get playing time making mistakes who have a long term vision with this team.
Long term thinking is eat the cap hit and move on from Young unless you can get him cheap. The Saints have multiple young ex defensive players on other teams rosters. We never delivered on the promise of the great 2017 draft. That draft is now Lattimore in Washington, three time all-pro Ram retired and is a cap problem, Marcus Williams in Baltimore, Hendrickson staring in Cincinnati, Anzalone in Detroit, AK still in NOLA. We need to focus on another great draft not other teams draft busts.