Cold Pizza on Reggie Bush (2 Viewers)

[fuel52]

Why is running out of bounds a bad thing? Walter Peyton used to run out of bounds on almost every play... it's pretty smart when you think about it, it will prolong his career.

 

[shrike3000]

haha, I figured this would happen eventually. I'll get to working on an award for you, shrike.

I don't think the Saints should cut, trade, bench, or decommit to Bush. Let's put that thought process to bed right now.

One of my first posts talked about how I figured back in November that he didn't have the ideal skillset to succeed as an NFL rusher. One of my more recent posts explains why I feel he'd be better suited at WR, with an archetype (Eric Metcalf) to demonstrate my point.

Basically I'm sick of the excuses made by fans for Bush's play (rookie, decoy, ankle, can't wear #5, ol sux, defense is too good, etc). This doesn't mean I'm sick of Reggie Bush, because in my heart of hearts I know the guy has to play to either get it or not.

However, I'm already seeing signs that point to him being a better WR than RB. That doesn't mean he can't be a GOOD RB, just means he can be a BETTER WR. And don't we wanna utilize him in the best way possible? Isn't that what we want from ALL of our players -- to see them in a position that maximizes their ability to succeed?

In closing, I've been cheering for the Saints since I was 2 years old, and my mom bartended in the Dome for extra money to, in part, pay off my medical expenses. You could say my life is intrinsically tied to this team (though more specifically to its lush fanbase). Don't EVER imply that I'm not a Saints fan again.

What about running backs who took a few years to develop into good RB's? Should Tiki Barber have had his position changed in his Rookie season? Would he be the player today if they had?

Give the guy at least 2 years at RB before you try and switch positions on him.

I award you most negative Reggie Bush supporter ever. Yay you got an award too!

 

[VDK]

Don't remember who said it but was stated that the Tampa defense watched film of Reggie and thought he was avioding contact. Tampa said Reggie would fake inside and then try to beat the defenders to the outside. Tampa defenders kept reggie on thier inside shoulder.

If Reggie figures this out there might be a huge game in store. If defenders are looking for Reggie to try to take the edge, then the cutback is going to be there often.

What bothers me is opposing defenses saying Reggie is trying to shy away from contact.

The part about Reggie shying away from defense, confirms my thoughts. If so, how do you correct that? A psychiatrist?

 

[VDK]

Ask Pacman if he avoids contact

That's been a rare occurrence.

 

[Danchrism]

For every Tiki Barber there is an Eric Metcalf.

Bush is closer to one than the other, based purely off of skill sets. I'd even argue that he's closer to Metcalf on body type as well - Tiki Barber is a stout 200 lbs, with thick legs. Metcalf was a slim 190 with good, even weight distribution.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/images/historical/1987_metcalf_a.jpg - Metcalf in college

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGX200_8x10~Tiki-Barber-Virginia-Posters.jpg - Barber in college.

http://www.thechron.net/photos/uncategorized/bush_vs_huskies.jpg - Bush in college.

Look closely at the players' physiques.

Then consider that Eric Metcalf was an amazing receiver on the slot, on the edges, and out of the backfield.

Then consider that Metcalf was another home-run on launch type of player. He whom struggled mightily as a full-time AND a part time RB.

187 633 3.4 6 - metcalf as a feature back.

80 248 3.1 1
30 107 3.6 0
73 301 4.1 1
93 329 3.5 2

metcalf's four seasons as a part-time guy.

129 611 4.7 1 - metcalf's numbers as a change-of-pace for a first-time starter.

104 1189 11.4 8** - metcalf's first season as a fulltime wide receiver.



Guess where Tiki Barber was most effective during the big-back days in East Rutherford?

34 299 8.8 1
42 348 8.3 3
66 609 9.2 2

Catching the ball.

the late 90s giants were designed around big, bruising backs (5'10" 230 lb Joe Montgomery, 6'0" 245 Charles Way, 6'0" 230 Tyrone Wheatley, 5'11" 235 Gary Brown), all of whom were gone when Tiki Barber became the man. The offensive philosophies had to have switched, because Heisman winning, 5'11" 245 lb Ron Dayne struggled every year in the new system (even after the rookie excuse wore out its welcome). Similarly, 5'11' 265 lb Craig Heyward was the featured back in Atlanta, and the Falcons coaching knew that Metcalf wouldn't make it as a RB in their run game, so they took a flyer that paid HUGE dividends - imagine if Cleveland had thought to do that.

 

[geauxboy]

It'll only take one good whack by most of those guys to put out most any RB in the league... most RBs go between 200-230, and thus at the top end of that they still give up 25 pounds to the heaviest linebackers, 35 to the slimmest defensive ends, and over 50 to small defensive tackles.

Yet ANOTHER bad Reggie Bush EXCUSE.

No excuse, just pure observation. Nothing I said was an excuse. There isn't a RB in the league that doesn't use the sidelines to protect themself.

 

[shrike3000]

For every Tiki Barber there is an Eric Metcalf.

Bush is closer to one than the other, based purely off of skill sets. I'd even argue that he's closer to Metcalf on body type as well - Tiki Barber is a stout 200 lbs, with thick legs. Metcalf was a slim 190 with good, even weight distribution.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/images/historical/1987_metcalf_a.jpg - Metcalf in college

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGX200_8x10~Tiki-Barber-Virginia-Posters.jpg - Barber in college.

http://www.thechron.net/photos/uncategorized/bush_vs_huskies.jpg - Bush in college.

Look closely at the players' physiques.

Then consider that Eric Metcalf was an amazing receiver on the slot, on the edges, and out of the backfield.

Then consider that Metcalf was another home-run on launch type of player. He whom struggled mightily as a full-time AND a part time RB.

187 633 3.4 6 - metcalf as a feature back.

80 248 3.1 1
30 107 3.6 0
73 301 4.1 1
93 329 3.5 2

metcalf's four seasons as a part-time guy.

129 611 4.7 1 - metcalf's numbers as a change-of-pace for a first-time starter.

104 1189 11.4 8** - metcalf's first season as a fulltime wide receiver.



Guess where Tiki Barber was most effective during the big-back days in East Rutherford?

34 299 8.8 1
42 348 8.3 3
66 609 9.2 2

Catching the ball.

the late 90s giants were designed around big, bruising backs (5'10" 230 lb Joe Montgomery, 6'0" 245 Charles Way, 6'0" 230 Tyrone Wheatley, 5'11" 235 Gary Brown), all of whom were gone when Tiki Barber became the man. The offensive philosophies had to have switched, because Heisman winning, 5'11" 245 lb Ron Dayne struggled every year in the new system (even after the rookie excuse wore out its welcome). Similarly, 5'11' 265 lb Craig Heyward was the featured back in Atlanta, and the Falcons coaching knew that Metcalf wouldn't make it as a RB in their run game, so they took a flyer that paid HUGE dividends - imagine if Cleveland had thought to do that.

Fair points. I still think its the right thing to do to give him a few years to prove himself at RB before we switch him to a full time WR. Its been 8 games, much to early to be having this discussion IMO.

 

[geauxboy]

It HAS only been 8 games. How can judgement be cast this early for anyone. Maybe some people are vulnerable to what the media hypes up and thought that he'd have pro bowl numbers by now. WR? Not so sure he's be that good at that either in a full time roll. He's so versitle. No reason to chain him down to one or two duties. A first and 10 could go to Bush in many ways the same as a third and 25 could also go to Bush. Besides all this one player focus, WE'RE 6-2.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let it go.

 

[xaeniac]

Personally I like REggie to get out of bounds instead of taking a devastating hit. He is smart and will save his body by doing this. He sees there is no more to gain and steps out of bounds

 

[Marlboro Man]

It seems to me that I've seen Reggie on several occasions when he could have run out of bounds, put his head down and slam into the defender so I don't know where those comments come from unless it's from someone who hasn't actually watched film of Reggie.

 

[CHI-TOWNSAINT]

For every Tiki Barber there is an Eric Metcalf.

Bush is closer to one than the other, based purely off of skill sets. I'd even argue that he's closer to Metcalf on body type as well - Tiki Barber is a stout 200 lbs, with thick legs. Metcalf was a slim 190 with good, even weight distribution.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/images/historical/1987_metcalf_a.jpg - Metcalf in college

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGX200_8x10~Tiki-Barber-Virginia-Posters.jpg - Barber in college.

http://www.thechron.net/photos/uncategorized/bush_vs_huskies.jpg - Bush in college.

Look closely at the players' physiques.

Then consider that Eric Metcalf was an amazing receiver on the slot, on the edges, and out of the backfield.

Then consider that Metcalf was another home-run on launch type of player. He whom struggled mightily as a full-time AND a part time RB.

187 633 3.4 6 - metcalf as a feature back.

80 248 3.1 1
30 107 3.6 0
73 301 4.1 1
93 329 3.5 2

metcalf's four seasons as a part-time guy.

129 611 4.7 1 - metcalf's numbers as a change-of-pace for a first-time starter.

104 1189 11.4 8** - metcalf's first season as a fulltime wide receiver.



Guess where Tiki Barber was most effective during the big-back days in East Rutherford?

34 299 8.8 1
42 348 8.3 3
66 609 9.2 2

Catching the ball.

the late 90s giants were designed around big, bruising backs (5'10" 230 lb Joe Montgomery, 6'0" 245 Charles Way, 6'0" 230 Tyrone Wheatley, 5'11" 235 Gary Brown), all of whom were gone when Tiki Barber became the man. The offensive philosophies had to have switched, because Heisman winning, 5'11" 245 lb Ron Dayne struggled every year in the new system (even after the rookie excuse wore out its welcome). Similarly, 5'11' 265 lb Craig Heyward was the featured back in Atlanta, and the Falcons coaching knew that Metcalf wouldn't make it as a RB in their run game, so they took a flyer that paid HUGE dividends - imagine if Cleveland had thought to do that.

Reggie is closer to Marshall Faulks physique than either of the ones you listed. Faulk was pretty good, don't ya think......

 

[guidry23]

He runs out off bounds so he does not get creamed, and the reason he runs out of bounds is because every play that is called for him is towards the sideline, why not step out after you pick up the first, instead of getting crushed for 1 more yard.

Very seldom the running play is up the middle, and when it is he does not look for the sideline, his longest run of the season against the browns 19yds, not looking for the sideline

he has something like 23 catches on third down, he is first in the NFL, most of these are swing passes to the outside just to pick up the first down

 

[guidry23]

Everyone hammers the kid all the time

BUT he is on pace for 1114 yards from scrimmage not too shabby for a rookie

He need to return kickoffs, him and 84

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

Reggie tends shys away from contract... that is my opinion after 9 weeks of observation... for whatever reason... he has shown that he doesn't like contact... for example... when he bounces to the outside running backwards... he has continually run out of bounds instead of tyring to get back to the LOS. It's not a big deal for now. I would like him to at least to fight for a few yards sometimes. just my opinion.

 

[tak]

Could be the fact that everybodies gunning for him. That and his ankle.