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I wanted to get a feel for what positions Dennis Allen values as he builds his team.

First things up is the defense and specifically the Dline.

Cam Jordan is locked in at LDE and that measures up with him spending big money on Lamar Woodley to secure the LDE spot. Tanoh Kpassagnon and Payton Turner have similar size to Justin Tuck and will tandem the RDE. Malcolm Roach at LDT isn't going to cut it as that's spot is usually reserved for a much bigger body DT. Pat Simms and Justin Ellis were both over 310 with Ellis being the rookie NT drafted in 3rd round. A veteran + a 3rd round rookie suggest that they won't chase a wide body two-down guy much. RDT is a different story as they signed Antonio Johnson that year who was a consistent contributor for the Texans and had (6) sacks for them the year prior. This is where I see Rankins coming in as a good fit.

It's also clear he prefers a veteran unit on the dline. I expect a NT to be drafted but not until the later rounds. While it's a 4-3 in structure there are a ton of 3-4 pieces which points to DA wanting to be a hybrid of sorts. The Todd Grantham hire makes more sense. It also makes it clear why we walked away from Kris Richard who has a preference for strict 4-3 principals.


Now for the LB's.

Pete Warner is the same type of no nonsense WLB that Miles Burris was and while Sio More is showing up here as a drafted WLB he's tracking with similar size/weight/speed to Demario Davis. He was a LB that came out of college with pass rush ability but was placed in an off-ball position. Those two are prototypes for what DA wants. The SLB position is being manned by Zach Baun and is definitely upgradeable. Khalil Mack manned this spot for DA in Oakland and prior to that he asked Von Miller to play the Sam position for him in Denver.

Both came in around 6'2 245 6'3 250-255 and were primarily pass-rushers but could set the edge vs a TE on base downs. Both were 1st round investments and it just so happens this draft has a number of those guys. Get familiar with the names: Derrick Hall, Felix Anudike, and Byron Young. I feel as they'll all be available to some degree when we pick.

Finally the Defensive Backs

Lattimore at LCB = Hayden and Terrell Brown( / Carlos Rodgers could be looked at as Adebo, Alontae Taylor, and Bradley Roby. He's got options here and talent that he didn't have in Oakland. Matthew and Maye could be seen as Woodson and Tyvonn Branch. I'm still in favor of Adebo moving here and taking over the PJ Williams/Usama young role of being the 3rd Safety and in a pinch Nickel or Outside corner but time will tell how we fill it.

On offense it appears as though DA is already moving towards a more consistent power run game.

Derek Carr is QB1 with Winston as the backup. That's much better than a year ago.

RB is sticky and you can see Darren McFadden was a hold over and Latavius Murray was drafted in a later round to go along with Maurice Jones Drew. Saints will definitely draft an RB but since this is a 3WR 1 TE system I don't think it's a position they'll chase either. Kamara + Ingram seems to represent those two and they are likely to draft a guy mid to late round as a hammer. Roschon Johnson from Texas would seem like an ideal late find. As much as I'd like a Zach Charbonnet, I don't know that we'll invest in a runner that early.

WR1 and WR2 and WR3 seem like Ideal fits for Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed, and Chris Olave. What's missing is that longer 6'4 WR in the Andre Holmes mold. Perhaps Olave could expand on working the slot more (fits Denarius Moore mold) and then you bring in a DJ Chark or Mack Hollins as WR#2. Bumping Rashid to a #4 role. That would leave the drafting of a bigger bodied 6'2 WR or returning Tre'Quan Smith. That would give Carr multiple contested catch options on the outside and speed guy in the slot.

TE seems secure with the resigning of Juwan Johnson who fits the Ausberry move TE role. Nick Kasa was drafted as more of a blocking TE and I think Trautman fits that role, why Taysom can moonlight as the Mychal Rivera role. There's potential for a draft pick and or a FA here but not sure it'll be high due to depth.

On the offensive line Allen has already started to build a power o-line with the drafting of Penning at LT. LG is a toss-up as he also drafted a G that year to compete with an aging veteran. Sound familiar? I see that same thing happening but not until middle round ie 3rd or later. In his two years as Raiders HC he made OT more important as he signed Donald Penn, drafted Menelik Watson and also signed another T to a big contract.

In all I see the areas of need as SLB (or Edge), WR, OG, DT. RB. I think you can fill WR and one of the DT spots in FA and take care of Edge, OG, DT, and RB in the draft. How the picks pan out I'm not sure but again, most value seems to be at Edge with 1st pick and then a toss up between OG and DT with 2nd pick. There's a guard by the name of Steve Avila who I think would be worthy of that 2nd rounder. He's got similar size to Gabe Jackson who DA was also responsible for drafting.


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Very informative post, nice way to add some content to the front page. I'd like to point out that Joe Woods is also a 3-4 guy and ran a 3-4 in Denver, but ran a 4-3 in Cleveland so he has the flexibility to do both. If DA plans to do a hybrid with more 3-4 concepts, it does help to have coaches on the same page and he brought in 2 of them.

Interior line is extremely deep in this draft so we might be able to get a stud later in the draft. Considering the contracts DTs are getting this free agency period, there might be a run on them so it could be Edge, DT, WR, RB and OG.
 
Very informative post, nice way to add some content to the front page. I'd like to point out that Joe Woods is also a 3-4 guy and ran a 3-4 in Denver, but ran a 4-3 in Cleveland so he has the flexibility to do both. If DA plans to do a hybrid with more 3-4 concepts, it does help to have coaches on the same page and he brought in 2 of them.

Interior line is extremely deep in this draft so we might be able to get a stud later in the draft. Considering the contracts DTs are getting this free agency period, there might be a run on them so it could be Edge, DT, WR, RB and OG.

Yannik Ngkaoue is an interesting edge FA prospect.

It also bodes well for us that the WR market seems to be meh. The draft is pushing out WR talent like hot cakes, I think that’s lowering veteran value here.

There are some names at DT that may come cheap.

Ashawn Robinson
Linvall Joseph
Jonathan Hankins
Justin Ellis
Andrew Billings
Calais Campbell

All have NT body types and shouldn’t cost much.
 
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This is worth an update. The below are still areas of need

Sam LB
3rd/4th WR
3Tech DT
G backup/Starter
3rd Safety
3rd TE


The Sam I think you locate in the draft. It’s a rush role and the draft is littered with undersized guys who can fill the role. It’s also the one position that DA has consistently allowed rookies to get snaps at. Otherwise he enjoys veteran defensive units.

3rd Safety is important. If you can get a legitimate upgrade here, you can use Mathieu as a deep safety less and more in a slot, Dime LB, and edge role. He’s a pressure player on a team that needs guys who can get after the QB.

The Saints have yet to resign Landry so it’s a domino that needs to fall. You could look to draft here but I think you’ll get more production from a vet.

A third TE would be a nice fill. Foster Moreau visited and it makes sense to add a veteran here.

Guard is upgradeable, we know that by Pete taking a paycut. We will draft someone here. Not sure it’s a must early, because it wouldn’t take much to upgrade from Peat.

3 Tech DT.
You can run with a pressure player here or just a run stopper. I don’t know if you have to chase this more than an edge guy, due to how we blitz ILB’s.

WR is a value slot here. The market hasn’t been kind to this position and there are some names still out there that can help a team. Smith is still under contract but is at best your 4th/5th option.

Edit: An extra runner is an option but not something you have to chance. Kind of like when we had Ingram and AP but nabbed Kamara because the value was too good to pass up
 

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Good stuff, thanks for posting. Granderson played the bulk of his snaps at RDE while Kpassagnon played mostly on the left, you’re thinking they swap this year?

And good point about how our DT needs go along with our tendency for blitzing ILB’s, it definitely caught my eye going through the season that we would often play in odd fronts and let the offense guess which ILB’s to block.
 
Good stuff, thanks for posting. Granderson played the bulk of his snaps at RDE while Kpassagnon played mostly on the left, you’re thinking they swap this year?

And good point about how our DT needs go along with our tendency for blitzing ILB’s, it definitely caught my eye going through the season that we would often play in odd fronts and let the offense guess which ILB’s to block.
If they are playing in an under front (which I suspect) I think Granderson will be the Leo or RDE…despite what the ESPN depth chart says. I just feel like TK and PT will be run down RDE’s but Granderson will get ample opportunity to rush this year.
 
I wanted to get a feel for what positions Dennis Allen values as he builds his team.

First things up is the defense and specifically the Dline.

Cam Jordan is locked in at LDE and that measures up with him spending big money on Lamar Woodley to secure the LDE spot. Tanoh Kpassagnon and Payton Turner have similar size to Justin Tuck and will tandem the RDE. Malcolm Roach at LDT isn't going to cut it as that's spot is usually reserved for a much bigger body DT. Pat Simms and Justin Ellis were both over 310 with Ellis being the rookie NT drafted in 3rd round. A veteran + a 3rd round rookie suggest that they won't chase a wide body two-down guy much. RDT is a different story as they signed Antonio Johnson that year who was a consistent contributor for the Texans and had (6) sacks for them the year prior. This is where I see Rankins coming in as a good fit.

It's also clear he prefers a veteran unit on the dline. I expect a NT to be drafted but not until the later rounds. While it's a 4-3 in structure there are a ton of 3-4 pieces which points to DA wanting to be a hybrid of sorts. The Todd Grantham hire makes more sense. It also makes it clear why we walked away from Kris Richard who has a preference for strict 4-3 principals.


Now for the LB's.

Pete Warner is the same type of no nonsense WLB that Miles Burris was and while Sio More is showing up here as a drafted WLB he's tracking with similar size/weight/speed to Demario Davis. He was a LB that came out of college with pass rush ability but was placed in an off-ball position. Those two are prototypes for what DA wants. The SLB position is being manned by Zach Baun and is definitely upgradeable. Khalil Mack manned this spot for DA in Oakland and prior to that he asked Von Miller to play the Sam position for him in Denver.

Both came in around 6'2 245 6'3 250-255 and were primarily pass-rushers but could set the edge vs a TE on base downs. Both were 1st round investments and it just so happens this draft has a number of those guys. Get familiar with the names: Derrick Hall, Felix Anudike, and Byron Young. I feel as they'll all be available to some degree when we pick.

Finally the Defensive Backs

Lattimore at LCB = Hayden and Terrell Brown( / Carlos Rodgers could be looked at as Adebo, Alontae Taylor, and Bradley Roby. He's got options here and talent that he didn't have in Oakland. Matthew and Maye could be seen as Woodson and Tyvonn Branch. I'm still in favor of Adebo moving here and taking over the PJ Williams/Usama young role of being the 3rd Safety and in a pinch Nickel or Outside corner but time will tell how we fill it.

On offense it appears as though DA is already moving towards a more consistent power run game.

Derek Carr is QB1 with Winston as the backup. That's much better than a year ago.

RB is sticky and you can see Darren McFadden was a hold over and Latavius Murray was drafted in a later round to go along with Maurice Jones Drew. Saints will definitely draft an RB but since this is a 3WR 1 TE system I don't think it's a position they'll chase either. Kamara + Ingram seems to represent those two and they are likely to draft a guy mid to late round as a hammer. Roschon Johnson from Texas would seem like an ideal late find. As much as I'd like a Zach Charbonnet, I don't know that we'll invest in a runner that early.

WR1 and WR2 and WR3 seem like Ideal fits for Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed, and Chris Olave. What's missing is that longer 6'4 WR in the Andre Holmes mold. Perhaps Olave could expand on working the slot more (fits Denarius Moore mold) and then you bring in a DJ Chark or Mack Hollins as WR#2. Bumping Rashid to a #4 role. That would leave the drafting of a bigger bodied 6'2 WR or returning Tre'Quan Smith. That would give Carr multiple contested catch options on the outside and speed guy in the slot.

TE seems secure with the resigning of Juwan Johnson who fits the Ausberry move TE role. Nick Kasa was drafted as more of a blocking TE and I think Trautman fits that role, why Taysom can moonlight as the Mychal Rivera role. There's potential for a draft pick and or a FA here but not sure it'll be high due to depth.

On the offensive line Allen has already started to build a power o-line with the drafting of Penning at LT. LG is a toss-up as he also drafted a G that year to compete with an aging veteran. Sound familiar? I see that same thing happening but not until middle round ie 3rd or later. In his two years as Raiders HC he made OT more important as he signed Donald Penn, drafted Menelik Watson and also signed another T to a big contract.

In all I see the areas of need as SLB (or Edge), WR, OG, DT. RB. I think you can fill WR and one of the DT spots in FA and take care of Edge, OG, DT, and RB in the draft. How the picks pan out I'm not sure but again, most value seems to be at Edge with 1st pick and then a toss up between OG and DT with 2nd pick. There's a guard by the name of Steve Avila who I think would be worthy of that 2nd rounder. He's got similar size to Gabe Jackson who DA was also responsible for drafting.


Defense and Special Teams 2023.PNG

Saints 2023 Offense.PNG

Raiders 2014 depth chart.PNG
Thank you for doing what the rest of us can’t or won’t do. Very handy to have!
 

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