Curious as to What Underhill and Triplett Are Saying about Organizational Change (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

There's nothing wrong about getting excited regarding the team before the season starts. I remember the excitement around the whole city when Ricky Williams was drafted. No one knew it would turn into a 3-13 year. I don't believe anyone is going to fault you for getting excited. But to report that something is good or be optimistic about, and then report that you knew all along that it was bad is hypocritical.

Again, I don't know how you can call it hypocritical when you only accessed a very small portion of what was said.

 

[texasjefe]

In the early-mid 70s, we would call up the radio shows, ask them a question they had to spend 30 seconds rifling through papers researching, and then we would whisper-troll our friends over the dead air.

'psst, hey Bauer, you svck the farts out of dead dogs'

On Saturdays, we would call in and ask Maury Magill for the Slippery Rock score, and that gave us a ton of free air.

 

[rsmith2783]

By all accounts DA held a tougher TC than he'd done previously, and the guys seemed to respond to it, but then once the season kicked off, they went back to the light practices etc. Some of me feels like this is a byproduct of how DA likes to build teams. Looking at his Raiders history he preferred veteran teams over youth. However, w/ veteran teams, due to age and injury susceptibility, you tend to scale practice back. They know what it takes to get themselves ready, etc you just need to make sure you coach them up on film during the week, and expect them to come out ready to rock and roll. You could tell DA absolutley detested that we had such a young and inexperienced O-line on the edges and he always talked up the veterans on the team.

His philosophy was his undoing. He was inherently passive..all the way down to his reluctance to blitz and preference for dropping 8 in coverage.

I give the benefit of the doubt because I didn't pay attention to TC around his tenure. But if scaling back cost him, then I know he regrets it. I aslo personally believe that players didn't respect him. I noticed the body language of the players and at times DA attempted to sound like Payton too much.
I remember Keenan Lewis made a statement awhile back (years before Payton stepped down) saying that DA didn't have the right people skills. Maybe there's some truth to that.

 

[MatthewV]

I remember Keenan Lewis made a statement awhile back (years before Payton stepped down) saying that DA didn't have the right people skills. Maybe there's some truth to that.

Without being unkind or uncharitable, it would be hard to watch DA's press conferences or post-game speeches and not gather immediately that he is not a charismatic leader of men with abnormally high people skills. The way he carried himself also did not match what you tend to see from successful HCs, though obviously there are all sorts of outliers.

SP had obvious flaws and deficiencies too, but he looked and acted like a football coach that people follow into a fight, in the same way Brees carried himself as a platoon leader who'd outwork his own soldiers and put himself first in the line of danger.

One of the things that's been difficult the past couple years is both DA and DC not having personalities that mesh with fan expectations of what they want to see in a team they believe in. Doesn't mean they aren't great people outside of the team or not world-class talented. It's just their affect makes people much harder on them.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I give the benefit of the doubt because I didn't pay attention to TC around his tenure. But if scaling back cost him, then I know he regrets it. I aslo personally believe that players didn't respect him. I noticed the body language of the players and at times DA attempted to sound like Payton too much.
I remember Keenan Lewis made a statement awhile back (years before Payton stepped down) saying that DA didn't have the right people skills. Maybe there's some truth to that.

Yeah I can see it, DA didn’t seem like a personable guy. Appeared more down to business, I have a job to do, you have a job to do. I’ll do mine, I expect you to do yours.

I think that can work for some coaches but I think it helps when you connect w/ people.

He seemed like a guy whose office door was always closed. You only saw him during practices and he wasn’t going to ask how are your wife and kids doing. Wasn’t likely to strike up a convo w/ someone walking by in the hall.

You can tell he put a lot of emphasis on having veteran players in the lockerroom to keep a pulse on it so he didn’t have to develop those relationships

 

[Jd101]

Last time he shifted into high gear y’all hated that too.

It’s almost like it’s hard to win at football when the best QB in league history retires.

Sean payton left when he realized he couldn't win without Drew. The patriots now suck without Brady. So is it management and coaching, or the lack of a franchise QB that determines the fate of a team

 

[Jd101]

Outside of Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore; you ALWAYS see a drop off for a few years after a HOF QB leaves/retires.

Make a list of hof coaches without a how qb. It will probably be a short list

 

[Jd101]

I just want to put this part of your post on repeat because this fan base just DOES NOT GET IT. Three mediocre years before the wheels fell off and this fan base is acting like it’s part of a union and entitled to good football.

Teams lose sometimes. Teams have bad seasons sometimes. Teams have bad decades sometimes. I am really not understanding the spoiled snotty children behavior when one of the hallmark traits of Greater New Orleans/South Louisiana people is our very resilience and capability of rolling with the punches. Others from all over the world love that about us as people but are watching how this fan base is acting and wondering which side is the real us.

Amen!!!

 

[SaintsMan209]

i unsubscrbed to underhill right now. mostly because i'm learning stuff about the saints i simply don't need to know and it doesn't enahnce my life. i get there are junkies out there that really want to know everything that's happening with the saints but i don't need to get an update that 3 random people came in for a workout. i just don't see the value or what blessing it brings to my life to follow the saints so closely.

 

[Saint Jack]

Make a list of hof coaches without a how qb. It will probably be a short list

Nick Foles/Doug Pederson
Brad Johnson/John Gruden
Trent Dillfer/Brian Billick
Jim McMahon/Mike Ditka (Ditka was inducted as a player, not a coach)

Those are the only coach/QB that both aren’t in the Hall.
Or in my opinion, not in the running for the Hall.

 

[Jd101]

Nick Foles/Doug Pederson
Brad Johnson/John Gruden
Trent Dillfer/Brian Billick
Jim McMahon/Mike Ditka (Ditka was inducted as a player, not a coach)

Those are the only coach/QB that both aren’t in the Hall.
Or in my opinion, not in the running for the Hall.

Which combination would you want for the saints for about 10 years

 

[Saint KayBee]

Sean payton left when he realized he couldn't win without Drew. The patriots now suck without Brady. So is it management and coaching, or the lack of a franchise QB that determines the fate of a team

NE has tried the “draft a quarterback high” strategy twice
NO brought in a free agent then brought in another one

NO has had more success (wins) than NE despite NE being able to draft higher in 2022, 2023, and 2024. NE is about to draft higher again

 

[UptownSaintsFan]

Again, I don't know how you can call it hypocritical when you only accessed a very small portion of what was said.

Yeesh, i feel like you guys (not widge) just ignore a lot of nuance that comes in their reporting. They aren't all black and white, yet you treat it like it is. it's also a little disengenuous for people to bag on them that don't actually listen or read their content (though many have admitted as much, so good for them)