Did anyone else know the 2024 Season was over the moment McCoy got injured? (1 Viewer)

[Rexman100]

I feel it was more the moment the Saints faced a decent defense. The Panthers' and Cowboys' defenses are bad.

Taysom was out already. Which allowed Jalen Carter to tee off. Then McCoy goes out. Then eventually Carr. So it’s partially true that it’s due to a great DLine.

 

[kcirdor]

I played Center... so yes.. but im also a hopeless saints fan so ill always believe there is a chance....

 

[TruSaint]

Our guards suck and mccoy masked how bad they were, the offense was doomed when mccoy got hurt.

 

[louder]

I knew the season was over when Dennis Allen was retained. This coaching staff is inept. Hell, this organization is inept, starting with Loomis. Until we get a new head coach and GM, this team is stuck in mediocrity or worse.

 

[nosaint]

This is strange because I typically don't know the ins/outs of offensive line play like some on here, but for some reason I was able to extrapolate the results of the Eagles game and then the next 2-3 games (based on what I thought the severity of the injury would be) and I started to consider, right at the moment when he got hurt, that this was going to effectively end our 2024 season. I didn't think we would drop the next six games, but I forsaw the domino effect of injuries to the extent that it would at least affect either Kamara or Carr, or both and I knew this would de-rail not only the momentum but the entire direction of the season. All of these thoughts occured to be roughly the first 5 minutes following the injury, to the point where all I could do was dwell on it and it caused me to lose interest in the Eagles games -- because I knew it was bigger than just that game.

Anyone else knew it, at the same point, as well?

I thought it but then said he's good but not all world. We can replace him and be fine. Wow I was so Wrong! He is obviously the glue that holds us together. I will never make that mistake again.

 

[Rexman100]

I think we all knew it was over when McCoy got injured.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Erik McCoy is responsible for all of the protection and blocking calls. Basically the most important player on offense.

 

[ravenblade23x]

I don't know that losing McCoy was important, but the notion that losing him is the reason we have lost 6 games in a row is massive cope.

First let's just say your right. That McCoy is more important to the Saints then the starting QB. If this where true it would show a massive level of incompetence on the part of the front office and coaching staff. Other then a QB its the organizations responsibility to bring and coach up viable back ups.

The reality is, teams have there starting centers get hurt all the time and they do just fine. Its not hard to a google search and find teams that lost there center and still made the playoffs.

Just this year the Steelers rookie Center got hurt in week 6 and they won both games since he has been out.

Injuries are a key part of why the Saints have loss 6 in a row but there are many other in my opinion issues that have also been a major factor.

 

[Domeination]

The teams ability to be a competitive playoff capable team was over, and will be so as long as DA is HC.

I've come to the same conclusion despite trying to change my perspective after the Saints won some games down the stretch last year when Carmichael went to more play action and then Allen installed a run-first, play action scheme in the offseason. Allen's wins tend to come against mediocre or inferior teams at points in the season when the playoffs are pretty much decided, not in high-pressure, must-win situations against good teams. (Just think of the Rams game last year, which was a must win if we were going to get to the playoffs, and how that went.) We can try to deduce all kinds of reasons--including injuries--that this year's team is losing, but the overall pattern of Allen as a HC is now several years old (including his Raiders daze) and is pretty consistent.

 

[Steve in Colorado]

Don't get me wrong, losing McCoy stunk, but injuries are not the reason this team is 2-6.

 

[SweetT]

We can tell each other that our season was over based on one injury to a player, but that would be very dishonest. We had a chance to win the game that McCoy got injured in. We had a chance to win the following game. We could be sitting at 4-4 right now. Collectively as a team and coaching staff, we have let this team fall apart at the seam. There literally is no glue on the team. Our locker room leaders are looking up at the totem pole, hoping to see a true leader of the team. There’s nothing there. No vision, no heartbeat, no solution, no true voice. Essentially there’s nothing to believe in. McCoy was important, but he wasn’t the end all be all. McCoy was here the past two years and we had the same dang problems. What was the issue those two years? Go back and see where this forum was, at this same time in the season, and you will know what the problem is.

 

[TenTwo]

The moment I saw who was on the turf, my heart sank.

 

[blotch1]

Before the season, I said that any major injury to a starter on the o-line would be catastrophic for the team.

Unfortunately, I was right.

 

[saintlad]

This is strange because I typically don't know the ins/outs of offensive line play like some on here, but for some reason I was able to extrapolate the results of the Eagles game and then the next 2-3 games (based on what I thought the severity of the injury would be) and I started to consider, right at the moment when he got hurt, that this was going to effectively end our 2024 season. I didn't think we would drop the next six games, but I forsaw the domino effect of injuries to the extent that it would at least affect either Kamara or Carr, or both and I knew this would de-rail not only the momentum but the entire direction of the season. All of these thoughts occured to be roughly the first 5 minutes following the injury, to the point where all I could do was dwell on it and it caused me to lose interest in the Eagles games -- because I knew it was bigger than just that game.

Anyone else knew it, at the same point, as well?

Well we didn't have a great line to begin with anyway.

The Saints were replacing essentially three starters on their offensive line from last year. Two of them carrying significant salary cap money



We're starting a rookie at left tackle, A bust of a left tackle trying out right tackle for the first time.
A sometimes ok right guard and an oft injury journeyman left guard.

Keep in mind they're all learning a new offensive scheme with a non mobile QB. No true # 1 receiver or Tight end

McCoy was the glue holding them all together.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I've come to the same conclusion despite trying to change my perspective after the Saints won some games down the stretch last year when Carmichael went to more play action and then Allen installed a run-first, play action scheme in the offseason. Allen's wins tend to come against mediocre or inferior teams at points in the season when the playoffs are pretty much decided, not in high-pressure, must-win situations against good teams. (Just think of the Rams game last year, which was a must win if we were going to get to the playoffs, and how that went.) We can try to deduce all kinds of reasons--including injuries--that this year's team is losing, but the overall pattern of Allen as a HC is now several years old (including his Raiders daze) and is pretty consistent.

This is all true. But let's not forget last year was quite possibly the easiest schedule in NFL history. We played against a large number of teams who were .500 or worse. Couple that with how many backup QB's we faced (Wasn't it like 7?), and its not hard to imagine how we ended up winning 9 games. The one true game where the team played great, against a good team with their starting QB was the last game of the season vs Tampa Bay. Other then that, we fought, clawed and often narrowly beat teams with a backup QB or a losing record.

Which really makes me wonder, if we still had Payton how many wins that schedule combined with facing so many backup QB's would've translated too.