Do you think aliens in ufos have visited Earth? (And all things UFO) (10 Viewers)

Do you think aliens in ufos have visited Earth?

  • Yes

    Votes: 87 49.7%

  • No

    Votes: 48 27.4%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 21 12.0%

  • Only if they arrived in tacoes

    Votes: 19 10.9%
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Derek Van Shaik analyzes Bob Lazar during a couple interviews. It's a bit long, but very interesting, especially how things stated in earlier interviews mesh with what has happened recently...
 
So Ancient Aliens was accurate? My belief is that "aliens" and earthlings would almost certainly not be able to communicate. How many languages are there here? How many have spoken to someone from another country?

You sometimes need to read between the lines and understand what they mean instead of what they say. I just don't see a good outcome, whether intentional or not, from meeting them.

Who knows, maybe we would be their cattle or possibly slaves. They let us fight amongst ourselves and taking people goes unnoticed.
 
Very good article- but bit of a killjoy though
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Friends and colleagues have urged me to write something about UFOs, because the topic is hot again and I’m sort of the space alien reporter on staff. This refers not to where I’m from, but to the kind of stuff I used to write about.

I wrote a book (“Captured by Aliens,” 1999) that was primarily about the scientific search for extraterrestrial life and included a long section on UFO mythology. I’ve been to Roswell.

I wrote about the mass suicide of the 39 Heaven’s Gate cultists who thought they would be transported to a spaceship trailing comet Hale-Bopp. I’ve interviewed people who think their bodies have become inhabited by aliens from the Pleiades.


But I’m wary of returning to that strange universe, because anything I write is guaranteed to be unsatisfying for everyone involved.

My strong suspicion is that the number of UFO sightings that involve actual alien beings, from deep space, with the tentacles and the antennae and so on, is zero. I would put the likelihood at 0.0000 and then add some more zeros, before eventually, begrudgingly — because I’m so intellectually flexible — putting in a little 1 out there somewhere to the right, a lonely sentinel, because who knows? (Yes, I’m saying there’s a chance.)


This skeptical take, however, is the boring take. A better story would be that, after all these decades as a skeptic, I’ve converted, because the recent rash of UFO sightings has persuaded me that these are, in actual fact, spaceships from somewhere else in the universe, or perhaps from the future, and could even be future humans, such as grad students getting their PhDs in paleoanthropology. Much better story.


Science journalists regularly disappoint people by refusing to confirm really cool things like UFOs, past-life recall, astral projection, telekinesis, clairvoyance and so on.

When I wrote my aliens book I made a disastrous marketing mistake by not including any aliens in the story, focusing instead on people who believe in aliens. Thus it was a major disappointment for readers who bought a copy after finding it in the “Occult” section at Barnes & Noble.

Over the years I have found less joy in telling the believers that what they believe is not true. It gets old, always telling people to stop reading the horoscope.

We all rely on our beliefs to get through the day. They are our handrails on a shaky planet. People don’t need someone with a fanatical desire to be correct to come along and pry their fingers loose.


Make no mistake: I want to be the reporter who goes out on a limb and breaks the space aliens story. I want my name on a front-page story with a 72-point headline saying THEY’RE HERE. That would be a great, career-making story.

But the aliens never deliver. It doesn’t matter how many front-page stories there are about UFO sightings, or that the Pentagon acknowledged it had an in-house UFO-probing office, or that some government officials think UFOs might be aliens. None of that means they’re here……..

 
Optimus Prime said:
Very good article- but bit of a killjoy though
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Friends and colleagues have urged me to write something about UFOs, because the topic is hot again and I’m sort of the space alien reporter on staff. This refers not to where I’m from, but to the kind of stuff I used to write about.

I wrote a book (“Captured by Aliens,” 1999) that was primarily about the scientific search for extraterrestrial life and included a long section on UFO mythology. I’ve been to Roswell.

I wrote about the mass suicide of the 39 Heaven’s Gate cultists who thought they would be transported to a spaceship trailing comet Hale-Bopp. I’ve interviewed people who think their bodies have become inhabited by aliens from the Pleiades.


But I’m wary of returning to that strange universe, because anything I write is guaranteed to be unsatisfying for everyone involved.

My strong suspicion is that the number of UFO sightings that involve actual alien beings, from deep space, with the tentacles and the antennae and so on, is zero. I would put the likelihood at 0.0000 and then add some more zeros, before eventually, begrudgingly — because I’m so intellectually flexible — putting in a little 1 out there somewhere to the right, a lonely sentinel, because who knows? (Yes, I’m saying there’s a chance.)


This skeptical take, however, is the boring take. A better story would be that, after all these decades as a skeptic, I’ve converted, because the recent rash of UFO sightings has persuaded me that these are, in actual fact, spaceships from somewhere else in the universe, or perhaps from the future, and could even be future humans, such as grad students getting their PhDs in paleoanthropology. Much better story.


Science journalists regularly disappoint people by refusing to confirm really cool things like UFOs, past-life recall, astral projection, telekinesis, clairvoyance and so on.

When I wrote my aliens book I made a disastrous marketing mistake by not including any aliens in the story, focusing instead on people who believe in aliens. Thus it was a major disappointment for readers who bought a copy after finding it in the “Occult” section at Barnes & Noble.

Over the years I have found less joy in telling the believers that what they believe is not true. It gets old, always telling people to stop reading the horoscope.

We all rely on our beliefs to get through the day. They are our handrails on a shaky planet. People don’t need someone with a fanatical desire to be correct to come along and pry their fingers loose.


Make no mistake: I want to be the reporter who goes out on a limb and breaks the space aliens story. I want my name on a front-page story with a 72-point headline saying THEY’RE HERE. That would be a great, career-making story.

But the aliens never deliver. It doesn’t matter how many front-page stories there are about UFO sightings, or that the Pentagon acknowledged it had an in-house UFO-probing office, or that some government officials think UFOs might be aliens. None of that means they’re here……..

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Not really a killjoy, just rational thinking. The people in the military who are credible and serious about this, who have observed these objects, like David Fravor and the 3 other pilots who witnessed the same thing, never make the leap that these are alien spacecraft. They simply explain what they saw and have no Earthly explanation.

There is a very, very, extremely slim possibility that these are craft from an extraterrestrial civilization. I don't think anyone reasonable and science-minded denies that. Some scientists might put that possibility at a slightly higher probability than this writer, but the likelihood is low according to all scientific estimations. That tiny possibility is what's fun to think about and speculate on, but that does not make one a "believer."

For me, do I want it to be extraterrestrial craft? Yes. Do I think it likely is? No, I seriously doubt it.

Unlike the author, I'd say please don't stop the UFO mania. It's fun and participation is optional.
 
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I've always believed that as soon as someone mentions "UFO", everyone stops listening. It's akin to someone saying they had lunch with Bigfoot. The people that are claiming to be "inhabited" by aliens or are picking up their brainwaves in communication with them don't help matters at all. I, for one, trust the eyewitness reports of credible people to have seen these objects and are unable to provide a valid guess as to what they are.
 
I find it hard to comprehend the possibility that any technically advanced nation here on Earth would spend the time and the money to seek out and travel to an inhabited planet in a distant solar system (or galaxy) only to end up playing 'hide & seek' for centuries with the societies that exist there. Yet this is exactly what the 'foil hat folks' are proposing is taking place all over our planet.

Yes, I know that we all look freaky and threatening to any truly intelligent life form that happens to be passing by our little speck in the universe, but it sure would be nice if they would finally decide to land somewhere other than Mississippi and choose to introduce themselves properly.

But what's really hard to imagine is that this is a real subject that's up for discussion. :jpshakehead:
I wonder if this thread was started by an anti-vaxxer. :scratch:
 
Bill said:
I find it hard to comprehend the possibility that any technically advanced nation here on Earth would spend the time and the money to seek out and travel to an inhabited planet in a distant solar system (or galaxy) only to end up playing 'hide & seek' for centuries with the societies that exist there. Yet this is exactly what the 'foil hat folks' are proposing is taking place all over our planet.
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Prime Directive?
 
Bill said:
Yet this is exactly what the 'foil hat folks' are proposing is taking place all over our planet.


But what's really hard to imagine is that this is a real subject that's up for discussion. :jpshakehead:
I wonder if this thread was started by an anti-vaxxer. :scratch:
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This is exactly what I meant in my post. There is a stigma associated with anything that is beyond our knowledge or our willingness to give it scientific scrutiny.
 
Sailorsaint said:
This is exactly what I meant in my post. There is a stigma associated with anything that is beyond our knowledge or our willingness to give it scientific scrutiny.
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This has been going on for centuries and, truth be told, scientists of the time can be much to blame.

It was a weird place, scientific research in earlier centuries. Some, who got it right, were not heard or were ignored by the scientific community. Some, who got it wrong, were celebrated and believed until ultimately proven wrong. You still see this kind of behavior amongst scientists today, just to a much lesser degree because the ability to do whatever research is much more widespread.

But, even given that, there is so much we just don't know.
 
Bill said:
And rightfully so, in my opinion.
You simply are not going to find visitors from other worlds... ever.
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Depends on what you define as "visitors".
 
Bill said:
And rightfully so, in my opinion.
You simply are not going to find visitors from other worlds... ever.
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I see you had to change the wording in my post in order to make your point. Are you a politician?
 

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