Drew Brees endorses Aaron Glenn as his top pick and Klint Kubiak as his in-house hire to become next Saints head coach (16 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Man... NGL... This was the one "not-status-quo but still sooo status-quo" thing I hoped would not happen.... This allows Loomis to claim change - without actually chaining anything - while giving Glenn years of leeway.

Ugh... Worst possible outcome IMO... Glenn would have to be waaaaay better than I think he is for this to end well.

It's not the worst possible outcome. For one thing, it's not Gruden.

 

[St. Widge]

Lets rename that argument to the "ML circle" as opposed to the SP one. Almost every one SP touched has turned to gold.

Pete?

DA?

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Drew is just being a nice guy. Kubiak did nothing to prove he could make a good head coach in the NFL.

I will give Kubiak a pass on this year, he had nothing to work with after game 4 (our injury situation killed his chances to prove himself) if we are healthy and we are here where the gameplans seem to stagnate and not develop then yes, he is a flop.

I think if the injuries had stayed at an acceptable level, and we didn't lose half of our starters this team would look like day and night. We all saw what could be done when we were healthy even if it was against (at the time) lesser teams but the ideas were all there. Sweeping runs to the outside attack the middle of the field short, run Taysom and Kamara and once we established the run, we hit them deep. It was nothing groundbreaking in fact it is 49er football that he tried to bring over, it just never matured once the players started dropping like flies.

I would like to see Kubiak as I would like to see Rattler play with a fully healthy team but over the last 4 years we have been ravaged by injuries so it would be nice to make through a season where this team looks better than it does at the start. We always start good and then injuries just change this team into a mess, we need a break in 2025 as far as injuries go.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Pete?

DA?

Much closer to few than almost everyone of SP’s coaches. There’s Campbell and Glenn. Then there’s Pete, DA, Joe Lombardi, Marrone, and Kromer who didn’t have success as lead position coaches/HCs/coordinators without SP.

Jahri Evans and Brunell are his former players turned coaches but didn’t begin their coaching careers directly under Payton

 

[St. Widge]

Much closer to few than almost everyone of SP’s coaches. There’s Campbell and Glenn. Then there’s Pete, DA, Joe Lombardi, Marrone, and Kromer who didn’t have success as lead position coaches/HCs/OCs without SP.

Jahri Evans and Brunell are his former players turned coaches but didn’t begin their coaching careers directly under Payton

Yes. Payton's tree isn't great outside of Campbell and Glenn. I think probably mostly because Pete remained his OC for so long. He didn't want HC jobs so no OCs ever developed under him that moved on to HC jobs.

 

[Rexman100]

Multiple reports (Schefter and others) that Johnson will be "very selective" in accepting interview requests. It is safe to say that every NFL team with an opening has made an overture to Johnson. If he's not interviewing, it means he turned it down.

Example:

Riker you're not getting the enterprise

 

[Rexman100]

Pete?

DA?

Almost every coach under Sean Paytons coaching tree is employed. Pete is w/ Denver. And DA will be Cincys DC. (Or hired by Payton as a defensive assistant) Name one who isnt is more difficult.

 

[St. Widge]

Almost every coach under Sean Paytons coaching tree is employed. Pete is w/ Denver. And DA will be Cincys DC. (Or hired by Payton as a defensive assistant) Name one who isnt is more difficult.

Employed mostly. But outside of Campbell and Glenn, nobody else has moved up and been successful unless you count DA when he was just the DC here. But that's one successful HC, maybe two successful DCs, and a bunch of failed offensive guys like Marrone and Lombardi.

So some success but far from everything he touches turning to gold.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

As much as I love Brees, we just went through 3 years of a "recommendation" from Sean Payton and we saw how that turned out. Not sure I'd want to go through another handful of years just because of a recommendation.

Klint Kubiak as head coach is an interesting thought though that I haven't given any consideration to.

 

[Steve in Colorado]

I love Brees, but I hope the Saints 1) don't follow his recommendations on HC or 2) didn't feed Brees this to get it 'out there', especially with Glenn.

Kubiak in no way strikes me as head coach material from a personality standpoint. From a technical standpoint, he doesn't seem to adapt his OC strategy at halftime and that offense, injuries aside, has been disappointing from a fundamentals and creativity standpoint.

As far as Glenn, I'm not in favor for several reasons, but especially with Mickey Loomis calling the shots. I don't care if Brees likes him.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Johnson is obviously a very good OC, but I have to wonder if he is over playing his hand by treating this like teams have to sell him on taking their job? I know he's the bell of the ball, but seems like that attitude could turn teams off and in the end he's still an OC that hasn't proven he can be a good HC. But, he's likely going to the Bears or New England so maybe he just doesn't care.

Ben Johnson has leverage because he has turned away HC opportunities the past couple of years and has continued to excel in DETROIT (of all places) while turning JARED GOFF (of all QBs) into an upper-echelon performer after SEAN MCVAY (of all coaches) threw his hands in the air and traded Goff away.

Ben Johnson is going to be a 1st-year head coach and wants to take every precaution to ensure that he has the best chance to be successful. He likely has his pick of options, and if he doesn't, he's proven to be content running it back in Detroit until he does. I'd say it's classy of him to avoid wasting the time and resources of teams he isn't interested in, and I have zero issues with him taking what he feels is the best opportunity for success. It's not his fault we're consistently rated as the worst HC opening in the league, it's ours.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I think the positive of potentially hiring Aaron Glenn is that he was around Ben Johnson’s elite offense. He knows what it looks like to build a legit offense for 4 years. He may bring the passing game coordinator or QB coach from the Lions/Ben Johnson’s offensive staff to New Orleans to be his OC.

Drew needs to stick with running Walk-Ons and Jimmy John's.

 

[St. Widge]

Ben Johnson has leverage because he has turned away HC opportunities the past couple of years and has continued to excel in DETROIT (of all places) while turning JARED GOFF (of all QBs) into an upper-echelon performer after SEAN MCVAY (of all coaches) threw his hands in the air and traded Goff away.

Ben Johnson is going to be a 1st-year head coach and wants to take every precaution to ensure that he has the best chance to be successful. He likely has his pick of options, and if he doesn't, he's proven to be content running it back in Detroit until he does. I'd say it's classy of him to avoid wasting the time and resources of teams he isn't interested in, and I have zero issues with him taking what he feels is the best opportunity for success. It's not his fault we're consistently rated as the worst HC opening in the league, it's ours.

I know he had all the leverage and I know why he has it. Also, I didn't say I had a problem with it or that I have any ill will toward him for not taking our job or even interviewing for it. I get it and if I wasn't a Saints fan and I was Ben Johnson, I'd probably do the same thing.

Just saying that he's really pushing his leverage for all it's worth and if he doesn't end up being a good HC, it could be a hard landing for him.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

As much as I love Brees, we just went through 3 years of a "recommendation" from Sean Payton and we saw how that turned out. Not sure I'd want to go through another handful of years just because of a recommendation.

Klint Kubiak as head coach is an interesting thought though that I haven't given any consideration to.

Loomis isn't going to hire a coach based upon a recommendation from Drew Brees, so I think you can relax on that front. I'll add, just because Sean made a bad recommendation (Sean frustrated all of us for years being too loyal to failing assistants) doesn't mean that Drew is wrong.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

I know he had all the leverage and I know why he has it. Also, I didn't say I had a problem with it or that I have any ill will toward him for not taking our job or even interviewing for it. I get it and if I wasn't a Saints fan and I was Ben Johnson, I'd probably do the same thing.

Just saying that he's really pushing his leverage for all it's worth and if he doesn't end up being a good HC, it could be a hard landing for him.

I mean, getting fired is a hard landing for any NFL head coach, regardless of circumstances...right?