Early take on how we match up next week vs. Dallas? (2 Viewers)

[bobad]

If we can stop Dallas' run game and they fill the air with footballs, our predatory DB's are going to feast.

 

[Nolan]

I think it'll come down to two things:

How our offensive line holds up against their front, and Alontae Taylor. Regardless of whether Marshon plays or not, they put Lamb in the slot a bunch. Taylor is going to be critical in this game. I think if Taylor does even a decent job on Lamb in the slot, and if we can neutralize their pass rush (running the ball effectively will help), we win this game.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

I think it'll come down to two things:

How our offensive line holds up against their front, and Alontae Taylor. Regardless of whether Marshon plays or not, they put Lamb in the slot a bunch. Taylor is going to be critical in this game. I think if Taylor does even a decent job on Lamb in the slot, and if we can neutralize their pass rush (running the ball effectively will help), we win this game.

We'll double cover Lamb. I think we have the players to pull this off. He'll get his, no doubt but it must be limited.

That leaves Cooks and Tobert, and of course TE Shoonmaker who seemed to play decent when I've seen him on the field. I'd be surprised if Ferguson plays with a sprained ACL or whatever. I don't know if Turpin takes snaps at WR, maybe for jet sweeps and stuff like that. He is a dangerous return man, so ST will have to be ready on returns.

Dallas may have to lean on the run moreso than pass. With Zeke, Dowdle splitting carries. Maybe some Vaughn sprinkled in.

 

[TribuneUK]

I think it’ll be a tough but winnable game.
Our defense looks top tier, and I think Kubiak’s offense is nothing short of a game changer.

Looking forward to a fun one

How do we match up?

I expect Dallas to have a 99% time of possession advantage when it comes to national media coverage before, during and after the game.

Did I answer the right question?

 

[DavidM]

You do it if the receiver is as wide open as Foster was

Yeah. Carr had also squared up and set when he made the throw. About the only risk was what is already inherent to throwing in a compressed field, where coverage can close quickly. Last season, Carr was criticized for being too hesitant / ineffective in the red zone. I hope this offense has him playing at a comfort level where he trusts himself and his teammates to take these shots.

 

[BreesusSaves]

My official predictions:

Saints: 15
Dallas: 12

or

Saints: 14
Dallas: 44


I think the Saints can win a violent, physical game or Dallas sadly just crushes us. I just think it is too early for the Saints offense to have gelled enough to be able to get into track meets.

That said, if I am wrong and the Saints crush Dallas, being wrong will have never felt so right.

 

[Saint KayBee]

My official predictions:

Saints: 15
Dallas: 12

or

Saints: 14
Dallas: 44


I think the Saints can win a violent, physical game or Dallas sadly just crushes us. I just think it is too early for the Saints offense to have gelled enough to be able to get into track meets.

That said, if I am wrong and the Saints crush Dallas, being wrong will have never felt so right.

I hope that 44-14 is some kind of messing around with the over-under, because this defense under Allen as HC has never given up that many points. Last year's season high surrendered was 33, and that was with the offense basically giving them 14 (second TD & last TD). 2022's season high surrendered was 42, and we know 14 of that came off pick-sixes. 2021's high of 40 involved a pick-six and a short-field INT. When the Saints give up a lot of points, everybody has their share in it. I can't see them putting up 44 on their own.

 

[BreesusSaves]

I hope that 44-14 is some kind of messing around with the over-under, because this defense under Allen as HC has never given up that many points. Last year's season high surrendered was 33, and that was with the offense basically giving them 14 (second TD & last TD). 2022's season high surrendered was 42, and we know 14 of that came off pick-sixes. 2021's high of 40 involved a pick-six and a short-field INT. When the Saints give up a lot of points, everybody has their share in it. I can't see them putting up 44 on their own.

Dallas in September is a lot different than the Dallas in December that we all know and love. The big issue for the Saints is simply this is still a brand new offensive scheme for everyone on the team, they're still learning it. Add in how little experience Penning has as a whole, this is not an offense that is going to want to see Penning in 40+ pass protection snaps against Micah Parsons. Yes, they can and will give Penning help, but it will take away from their gameplan greatly and make it even more difficult to keep up if Dallas is churning out touchdowns.

This Saints offense right now to me screams win with violence. Win with physicality. Establish dominance of the line of scrimmage and control the clock. Keep the defense well rested and fresh. Grupe's hot so just kicking field goals, eating clock, and winning field position can choke teams to death. When you look at how Dallas' offense is built, they want track meets. They want to move the ball quick. Their style of offense always struggles when their possessions become extremely limited and the game gets shortened. We've seen it done like clockwork to McCarthy when he was in Green Bay and again and again with him in Dallas.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

If Penning doesn’t get help and gets whipped routinely, the game won’t be close.

If we can reasonably contain the run and we can run the ball reasonably well, it’ll be close. No matter how good our defense is, Dak will be able to make some plays. Our best hope is for a low scoring, running affair with a lot of Taysom and Alvin.

We are 6.5 point dogs for a reason. To win this, we will have to show something we didn’t even show against Carolina yesterday.

Looking at their fan board, this take seems to be the general consensus out here in Cowboys land:

The Saints have some players, but I don't love their team at all. I didn't watch any of their game yesterday, the score looked impressive, but it was also to the worst team in the league so I wont put much into it either way. Coming into the year I thought Cleveland was a dangerous 1st game, but NO would be a pretty safe game for the Cowboys.

My thoughts are the Cowboys should control the trenches on both sides of the ball. Their DT group is pretty weak and the Cowboys are likely able to get those 4 yard Zeke runs all day long on 1st down. Carr is probably underappreciated as a QB, but still far from elite.

Yesterday against Carolina they had a DB with 3 sacks. That tells me they needed to bring extra guys often to get pressure, and while they got there Dak is known to be very good against the blitz and is going to pick it up better than it seems Bryce Young did yesterday.

Across the board this just feel like a mismatch in the Cowboys favor.

On offense they have Kamara and Olave. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they moved Olave around quite a bit and tried to get him matched up on Carson and Brown often. Kamara is going to be used a lot for screens/draws to try and slow down the pass rush. For these reasons I can see some chunk gains for the Saints but I dont see a ton of consistent sustainable yards unless the Cowboys just dont show up.

Defensively they have a nice secondary and that is probably the one area the Saints may have an advantage. They are one of the few teams in the league who might have the ability to double Lamb all game and still have the depth to match up with the rest of the Cowboys receivers, especially assuming Ferg is out.

Their pass rush on paper is solid with Cam Jordan, Chase Young, and Granderson who is probably underappreciated around the league, but I think all of those guys are in the category of good not great.

Both teams probably go into this game looking at how they can run the football. In the end Ill say the Cowboys win by 14.

Yeah, they think that. Daks's #'s vs Dennis Allen are average

72/101 | 2 TD's |2 INTs| 9 sacks| 71% completion |7.2 Avg yards per pass

The last time they faced us they won 27-17 and it was because Taysom threw 4int's (they were at home) The other two meetings were split and the winners won by 2 and 3 points respectively. History says it'll be a close game, and I wouldn't be surprised if we steal a win. They aren't nearly as talented offensively as they were 3 years ago.

 

[Rexman100]

Yeah, they think that. Daks's #'s vs Dennis Allen are average

72/101 | 2 TD's |2 INTs| 9 sacks| 71% completion |7.2 Avg yards per pass

The last time they faced us they won 27-17 and it was because Taysom threw 4int's (they were at home) The other two meetings were split and the winners won by 2 and 3 points respectively. History says it'll be a close game, and I wouldn't be surprised if we steal a win. They aren't nearly as talented offensively as they were 3 years ago.

Some of his takes are fair. But to say Dallas by 14 would be an annihilation in the NFL. So he's clearly a kooky fan filled with false hopium. Further evidenced by him saying that Dak is more elusive than BY. Dak is a statue compared to BY. Claiming that we used AT to blitz because we couldn't get pressure w/ 4 is folly. (We blitzed AT because we knew it would work, 3 times) Chase Young was asked about Dak because Wash played them 2x per year while he was there. CY said and i paraphrase with a giggling tone he said "Dak? pffp... i aint worried about no Dak" Chase Young will stifle Daks scrambling ability forcing him into throwaways and forcing the ball. (I also dont think that DC4 is afraid of Dallas) What i am concerned about, is that Dallas have playmakers with speed that we'll have to take into account. With all of that said, i think Dallas is more proven and they are at home, i can see them winning by 3-4 points. 31-27. (I expect 3 TD and 2 FGs from the Saints and 4 TD's and 1 FG from Dallas)

 

[solarbear88]

Dallas out talents us but we do match up pretty good, with us having a strong secondary. It will be a close game. A couple weeks ago I would have said Dallas 34-17 but now I think it will be a one score game - Dallas in Sept at home giving them an edge, but maybe our guys will find a weakness.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Yeah, they think that. Daks's #'s vs Dennis Allen are average

72/101 | 2 TD's |2 INTs| 9 sacks| 71% completion |7.2 Avg yards per pass

The last time they faced us they won 27-17 and it was because Taysom threw 4int's (they were at home) The other two meetings were split and the winners won by 2 and 3 points respectively. History says it'll be a close game, and I wouldn't be surprised if we steal a win. They aren't nearly as talented offensively as they were 3 years ago.

Speaking of history, what's your take on facing a Zimmer coached defense? I mean, we've faced his defense in the past on multiple occassions. I know there will be wrinkles and such, plus personnel is going to be able to execute- but we should at least know how to scheme around some of this.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Speaking of history, what's your take on facing a Zimmer coached defense? I mean, we've faced his defense in the past on multiple occassions. I know there will be wrinkles and such, plus personnel is going to be able to execute- but we should at least know how to scheme around some of this.

Zimmer vs Carr doesn't fare to well. Both matchups were won by Zimmer's Vikings vs Carr's Raiders convicingly. Carr's thrown 4TD's to 3INT's w/ 6 sacks vs Zimmer defenses. He threw 34 and 43 passes in the games. Zimmers teams were both assisted by a dominant run game. Both Vikings teams rusher for 200+ yards in the win. The struggle was mostly due to Derek playing from behind early. Both Vikings teams scored quickly and put the game in 2 possession territory several times before the end of 2nd Q.

The Cowboys in theory don't have backs that talented and the key for Carr may be the Saints scoring quickly and putting the Cowboys on their heels.

 

[CowtownSaint]

35-27 Saints

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Zimmer vs Carr doesn't fare to well. Both matchups were won by Zimmer's Vikings vs Carr's Raiders convicingly. Carr's thrown 4TD's to 3INT's w/ 6 sacks vs Zimmer defenses. He threw 34 and 43 passes in the games. Zimmers teams were both assisted by a dominant run game. Both Vikings teams rusher for 200+ yards in the win. The struggle was mostly due to Derek playing from behind early. Both Vikings teams scored quickly and put the game in 2 possession territory several times before the end of 2nd Q.

The Cowboys in theory don't have backs that talented and the key for Carr may be the Saints scoring quickly and putting the Cowboys on their heels.

Agree on the backs. We're looking at Zeke and Dowdle as their featured 1/2 punch. Zeke had 4 YPC against CLE. Dowdle had more carries but less YPC.

Question is, can we score quickly? Carr under pressure is never a good situation. We'll have to mitigate the pressure because it's going to be there all game long against our line.