Elvis' 2025 cap and roster cleanup proposal (52 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

So the basis point target here is to not touch Carr’s contract, restructure others to get cap compliant, while sacrificing making significant moves this year to be able to make MORE significant moves next year?

That's the way I read it.

 

[Stalwart385]

Anybody who agrees with this, I don't want to hear a peep from you during free agency. This brings us though the offseason with no cap room. So we aren't resigning Adebo. We aren't sign a guard or a DE. We aren't bringing in a QB for competition. Just vet min contracts all offseason.

They will restructure Carr. It gives you plenty of breathing room in 2025 and you still get a ton of cap space in 2026. Meanwhile your coach isn't hamstrung for an entire year.

Your idea is a cry out to tank making an unrealistic move to prove the point. They don't need to do that. 2026 has always been the rebuilding year. They aren't biting a bullet by cutting Carr his outs already setup with all the vets in 2026. Your just screwing over your coach for a year to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

 

[St. Widge]

Anybody who agrees with this, I don't want to hear a peep from you during free agency. This brings us though the offseason with no cap room. So we aren't resigning Adebo. We aren't sign a guard or a DE. We aren't bringing in a QB for competition. Just vet min contracts all offseason.

They will restructure Carr. It gives you plenty of breathing room in 2025 and you still get a ton of cap space in 2026. Meanwhile your coach isn't hamstrung for an entire year.

Your idea is a cry out to tank making an unrealistic move to prove the point. They don't need to do that. 2026 has always been the rebuilding year. They aren't biting a bullet by cutting Carr his outs already setup with all the vets in 2026. Your just screwing over your coach for a year to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

I'm totally fine with singing no free agents. It's been more or less the plan for the last couple years other than a bad decision to sign Carr. We need to build this team through the draft to build a young core. Then, once we have that we can start adding some mid-level free agents and the very occasional impact free agent.

And it's not a tank. The only player really being cut is Carr and it's not like he's some guarantee of a winning season or the playoffs.

 

[Elvis]

Anybody who agrees with this, I don't want to hear a peep from you during free agency. This brings us though the offseason with no cap room. So we aren't resigning Adebo. We aren't sign a guard or a DE. We aren't bringing in a QB for competition. Just vet min contracts all offseason.

They will restructure Carr. It gives you plenty of breathing room in 2025 and you still get a ton of cap space in 2026. Meanwhile your coach isn't hamstrung for an entire year.

Your idea is a cry out to tank making an unrealistic move to prove the point. They don't need to do that. 2026 has always been the rebuilding year. They aren't biting a bullet by cutting Carr his outs already setup with all the vets in 2026. Your just screwing over your coach for a year to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

In my scenario I cut only 5 players. Carr, Jordan, Ramczyk, Jamal Williams and Cedrick Wilson. One is retiring, two are under performing, and the other two are to clear cap space. And I left the team with $42 million in cap space on June 1 to formalize free agent and rookie contracts in 2025. Players agreeing to terms and not signing immediately while cap maneuvers play out isn't unusual.

And contrary to your belief, restructuring Carr in 2025 will NOT "still get a ton of cap space in 2026". If fully restructured he would be a $65 million cap hit to keep or $56 million to cut in 2026.

And why put off rebuilding to 2026 when you have a new staff coming in in 2025. That makes no sense.

 

[Stalwart385]

I'm totally fine with singing no free agents. It's been more or less the plan for the last couple years other than a bad decision to sign Carr. We need to build this team through the draft to build a young core. Then, once we have that we can start adding some mid-level free agents and the very occasional impact free agent.

And it's not a tank. The only player really being cut is Carr and it's not like he's some guarantee of a winning season or the playoffs.

We have resigned our own guys and found value free agents every year. We don't go into drafts with gapping holes. Not with this plan.

A 5th rd qb who couldn't play two quarters of football without falling apart and no competition. Yeah good thing you can't sign FAs I guess cause you ain't convincing anybody.

All this for no real benefit. The 26 numbers still work out about the same either way because you still have to push back that money somehow.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

In your work, what happens if we go business as usual, restructure guys, keep Carr, sign a small handful of free agents?

This is like asking for another one game under .500 season.

We should be tearing it down for the future of the team instead of yet another middling season that gets us nowhere.

 

[Stalwart385]

In my scenario I cut only 5 players. Carr, Jordan, Ramczyk, Jamal Williams and Cedrick Wilson. One is retiring, two are under performing, and the other two are to clear cap space. And I left the team with $42 million in cap space on June 1 to formalize free agent and rookie contracts in 2025. Players agreeing to terms and not signing immediately while cap maneuvers play out isn't unusual.

And contrary to your belief, restructuring Carr in 2025 will NOT "still get a ton of cap space in 2026". If fully restructured he would be a $65 million cap hit to keep or $56 million to cut in 2026.

And why put off rebuilding to 2026 when you have a new staff coming in in 2025. That makes no sense.

If you work out the collapsing void year of all those deals you restructured, it comes out about the same. You pushed back money you didn't need to.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Anybody who agrees with this, I don't want to hear a peep from you during free agency.

Good. We shouldn't be major players in FA.

Your just screwing over your coach for a year to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

Nobody is screwing your coach over. It has been WIDLEY reported that any accepting coach will have a few years of grace period because our roster and cap situation are terrible.

 

[St. Geezy]

If you work out the collapsing void year of all those deals you restructured, it comes out about the same. You pushed back money you didn't need to.

Glad I’m not the only one that sees this. Thought I was going crazy. That’s what made me question what the overall goal is here and what are we looking to accomplish. Things are playing out pretty organically without the need of anything radical.

 

[Stalwart385]

Good. We shouldn't be major players in FA.


Nobody is screwing your coach over. It has been WIDLEY reported that any accepting coach will have a few years of grace period because our roster and cap situation are terrible.

You still need to establish a scheme and culture. His hands are completely tied.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

You still need to establish a scheme and culture. His hands a completely tied.

He can establish whatever scheme he hypothetically wanted. Letting go of Carr wouldn't prohibit that at all.

How would letting go of Carr change the culture? It was fine before him and will be just fine without him.

 

[Stalwart385]

He can establish whatever scheme he hypothetically wanted. Letting go of Carr wouldn't prohibit that at all.

How would letting go of Carr change the culture? It was fine before him and will be just fine without

Not sure how you don't get a coach wanting to get FAs for his scheme and culture. This is pretty common stuff.

 

[Elvis]

If you work out the collapsing void year of all those deals you restructured, it comes out about the same. You pushed back money you didn't need to.

Those 2026 void year cap hits are coming regardless for a few of those players and the additional amounts added from 2025 restructures are all paid for and then some by reducing Carr's 2026 cap hit.

 

[Elvis]

Not sure how you don't get a coach wanting to get FAs for his scheme and culture. This is pretty common stuff.

Nothing is preventing the signing of free agents once June 1 comes around. You can agree to terms before and sign the contract then. It's not an uncommon practice. And what if the coach doesn't want the current QB that has a history of getting head coaches fired (he's had 5 and they were all fired, one of them twice) and wants a QB in 2026 instead?

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Not sure how you don't get a coach wanting to get FAs for his scheme and culture. This is pretty common stuff.

Because we don't have any money LOL.

Any coach that's going to take this job knows our cap situation. It's been reported multiple times that any new coach will have a grace period because of our cap and QB room.