Enough With the HC Hand Wringing - McCarthy Is the Best Option for the Saints (3 Viewers)

[Centmssaint1]

Looks like we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Why?

 

[Centmssaint1]

Saints should just go ahead and hire McCarthy and move forward with building the coaching staff and evaluating players. What difference will two more weeks make? McCarthy is proven as a HC. Kellen Moore is not.

 

[parlorcitysaint]

No. Since McCarthy left green bay, he's been jerry jones' "yes man". He hasn't made a "football decision in years, as I understand it. He's pretty much left it up to his coordinators. How do we know this situation won't be the same for us?

We've got a history with a coach that had been "away from coaching" for a few years... With chicago, the guy was great. By the time we got him, the game had passed him by, and he was a disaster.

If McCarthy was such a hot commodity, then why wasn't he snapped up by any of the other teams that needed a head coach?

I'm in favor of a younger coach that's got something to prove.

 

[Centmssaint1]

No. Since McCarthy left green bay, he's been jerry jones' "yes man". He hasn't made a "football decision in years, as I understand it. He's pretty much left it up to his coordinators. How do we know this situation won't be the same for us?

We've got a history with a coach that had been "away from coaching" for a few years... With chicago, the guy was great. By the time we got him, the game had passed him by, and he was a disaster.

If McCarthy was such a hot commodity, then why wasn't he snapped up by any of the other teams that needed a head coach?

I'm in favor of a younger coach that's got something to prove.

I don’t hold him being in Dallas against him. Despite the JJ meddling, he’s had a winning record in his five seasons there.

 

[parlorcitysaint]

I don’t hold him being in Dallas against him. Despite the JJ meddling, he’s had a winning record in his five seasons there.

How many playoff wins? We're not just looking for winning records...

 

[Centmssaint1]

No. Since McCarthy left green bay, he's been jerry jones' "yes man". He hasn't made a "football decision in years, as I understand it. He's pretty much left it up to his coordinators. How do we know this situation won't be the same for us?

We've got a history with a coach that had been "away from coaching" for a few years... With chicago, the guy was great. By the time we got him, the game had passed him by, and he was a disaster.

If McCarthy was such a hot commodity, then why wasn't he snapped up by any of the other teams that needed a head coach?

I'm in favor of a younger coach that's got something to prove.

I think McCarthy would get more out of the players than a young HC because of his pedigree.

 

[draftfreak]

The panic that has set in over the next HC hire is ridiculous.

Most of the HCs hired in this cycle are either tired retreads (Pete Carroll), Rizzi like "promotions" (Dallas) or coordinators who we have no idea whether they will be good HC material (Chicago). The only one hired in this cycle that would have been a no brainer was Vrabel, and he was never going anywhere besides New England. Johnson from the Lions was the "hot name" on the market this year, but there are rumors about him having a weird personality. Maybe he does great in Chicago (his QB is a weirdo too), but maybe not. There have been many boy wonder OCs hired to become HC that did not pan out (McDaniel for example).

Joe Brady is given too much credit for LSUs 2019 offense (laced with 3 future NFL HOF players - and he co-coordinated with Ensminger) and was a complete flop with average talent at Carolina. There is no evidence that he is an alpha leader - which is what we need right now. He's done a good job of coaching up an offense lead by Josh Allen. Big deal; we don't have a Josh Allen QB or anything close. Brady turning us down is more an indictment of him than the Saints (he lacks confidence and knows he is not ready for a challenge).

I think the Saints were genuinely interested in Glenn - and he is the only candidate they missed out on that I think the Saints were likely to hire out of those interviewed so far. He's more seasoned than Brady and played in the league at a high level. But it's concerning that he does not have many skins on the wall given the way his defenses have performed (not elite). I think he would have been a good choice, but by no means risk free. DA was a better and more proven DC than Glenn and we saw how that turned out. Glenn went to his NFL alma mater (the Jets) so again this is no indictment of the Saints.

Outside of Vrabel, McCarthy is the only candidate on the market (other than ancient Pete Carrol, who I don't think anyone thought would be a good fit here) whose resume' proves he can do the job of HC at a high level. Yes, he had Arron Rodgers when he won a Superbowl, but he has also made chicken salad out of chicken **** with QBs like Aaron Brooks and Dak Prescott (the most overrated and overpaid QB in the NFL outside of Watson). To win 12 games three years in a row with Dak was a miracle, while putting up with a meddling owner. I bet he can make Carr (or Rattler) look better than what we have seen out of them so far.

By no means am I saying that McCarthy is a silver bullet hire that puts the Saints in position to compete for the Superbowl. Right now the Saints badly need a coach that can right the ship and lead us back to respectability before we become labeled a perennial loser again. In the NFC South making the play offs is a realistic goal - maybe next year, but certainly in years 2, 3 and thereafter. And if the roster is as bad as many say, then let them win 4 games next year while clearing the cap and positioning to draft the next franchise QB. I trust McCarthy to evaluate QB talent more than Sean Payton who could not draft a decent prospect during his many seasons here.

If McCarthy (who is unemployed, is no longer being paid by Dallas -his contract expired, he was not fired- and with no other HC options this cycle) turns the Saints down then let the panic begin. But unless and until that happens enough with the panic and disparagement of the team.

No, he is not. He's a double re-tread who would be a terrible addition.

 

[Centmssaint1]

How many playoff wins? We're not just looking for winning records...

This has more to do with JJ’s meddling and injuries. Dallas has had only one playoff win in over 30 years. That’s not on the HCs.

 

[nakadish]

I've always underestimated McCarthy. I laughed when the Packers hired him. Then he won a Super Bowl. I laughed when the Cowboys hired him, and they went from 6-10 to 12-5.

Here's Dallas' record going back to 2019

2019 8-8
2020 6-10
2021 12-5
2022 12-5
2023 12-5
2024 7-10

McCarthy didn't inherit a 12-5 team. He made a bad team a 12-5 team.

Just maybe he's a little better than most give him credit for. At least I hope so if the Saints hire him. If they don't, I don't care.

 

[Nemo]

To try and compare McCarthy (who has won 12 games a year in 3 of the last 4 seasons to the idiotic hire of Ditka (who had not coached for years before the Saint hired him) is comical.

McCarthy may or may not be the next Andy Reid - a guy who couldn't get over the hump with the Eagles and was fired, who lucked into HOF QB and then caught fire. He was an absolute retread when the Chiefs took at chance on him. He snagged Mahomes and is now a first ballot HOF coach. But at the very least he gives us a good chance to get better, and in this weak division that means the playoffs are a realistic possibility.

A much better outlook than what historical cellar dwellers like Cleveland, the Jets, Cardinals and other factory of sadness teams like them face each season despite having top picks almost every draft (tanking did not solve their problems).

Let's stop the bleeding, put an end to Sunday after Sunday of boring no offense football - see how that pans out and go from there. A much better path than the 3 trash seasons we had with DA at the helm (and Payton's last season before that).

 

[picnicwithfish]

You are fishing for an argument so I will offer my opinion. Unfortunately, I think you are going to get your wish but I am hopeful that they will pull the trigger on ANYONE but him, including Rizzi. I am reserving my outburst until it is official but McCarthy is my definition of the worst direction this team could go in. You use a win-loss record to justify your wish, but he is on par if not just a tad better than Allen when it comes to accountability, team respect, etc. Go back and mentally relive the Green Bay drama when he lost that locker room. He is a fatter, offensive minded Dennis Allen.

If I was pulling the realistic trigger, I would keep just keep Rizzi, have the worst year possible while resetting the cap the best that we can, and then hit the open market next year as a more presentable suitor for a long term fix and not a bandaid to continue this stupidity that we have been forced to witness these past few years.

 

[Centmssaint1]

Dude!!! Are you for real? A tad better than DA when it comes to accountability?!! NOBODY controlled Dallas on the field after Jimmie Johnson left. Why do you think Bill Parcells actually left?

 

[picnicwithfish]

Dude!!! Are you for real? A tad better than DA when it comes to accountability?!! NOBODY controlled Dallas on the field after Jimmie Johnson left. Why do you think Bill Parcells actually left?

Like all of this, these are the opinions I have formed from watching things play out over the years. I have never been in a locker room with him as my leader, I would doubt you have either, but I call it like I see it. I would like nothing more than eat crow and him be the next Andy Reid that revitalizes his career. I give that a 1% chance and that is being generous.

 

[HoustonGold]

It’s better than nothing.

 

[picnicwithfish]

It’s better than nothing.

Actually, in this case you are wrong. Nothing means we stick with Rizzi and blow up the team, sacrificing the upcoming season to reset this madness. In this case, I vote to pick up the can, hit the wall, and enjoy watching some of the young guys develop in a sacrificial year to make the future brighter.