Enough With the HC Hand Wringing - McCarthy Is the Best Option for the Saints (1 Viewer)

[Centmssaint1]

Appreciate that. Maybe I have just demonized him unjustly. We will just have to see. It will go one of a couple of ways. He will be great, he will suck, or he will be mediocre.

Thatcher case with any coach. Lol. But the chances of being good to great I think would be better under McCarthy. Just my opinion of course based on his past history.

 

[Centmssaint1]

We have to hire someone to coach the team, and whoever we hire better try to win as many games as possible starting next year. Ownership needs to be patient, work on the cap and purging the roster of over the hill players and making good decisions with draft capital.

McCarthy is the safest pick, but if Kellen Moore wants the job, makes the more impressive pitch and the Saints hire him instead that's fine too (but a riskier proposition). The point of my post is that the is no reason to trash the team because a bunch of unproven candidates (some of whom weren't really available to come here) decided to take jobs elsewhere). The pool we have to chose from at this time is no worse than the pool that was available last week. All of them are a crap shoot; but the reality is that McCarthy is the least risky of the lot given his track record of long term success, recent success and a SB win.

in other words - chill and stop acting like the HC hiring process somehow proves the Saints are dumpster fire. Loomis had made a number of gaffes of late, but he did acquire Payton, Brees and bring New Orleans a Superbowl. So his record overall is 1 and 1. He needs to get the next hire right - and if he does not, it is clearly time for him to go. But let's see what happens next and then judge based on the results.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here trashing the team when giving their opinion on who the next HC should be. Did I miss something?

 

[NatureBoy]

With Kubiak headed to Seattle, you’d have to think an offensive minded HC will be coming in.

 

[Centmssaint1]

With Kubiak headed to Seattle, you’d have to think an offensive minded HC will be coming in.

Klint Kubiak left for Seattle?

 

[picnicwithfish]

We have to hire someone to coach the team, and whoever we hire better try to win as many games as possible starting next year. Ownership needs to be patient, work on the cap and purging the roster of over the hill players and making good decisions with draft capital.

McCarthy is the safest pick, but if Kellen Moore wants the job, makes the more impressive pitch and the Saints hire him instead that's fine too (but a riskier proposition). The point of my post is that there is no reason to trash the team because a bunch of unproven candidates (some of whom weren't really available to come here) decided to take jobs elsewhere. The pool we have to chose from at this time is no worse than the pool that was available last week. All of them are a crap shoot; but the reality is that McCarthy is the least risky of the lot given his track record of long term success, recent success and a SB win. Again, if he's offered the job and turns it down then that is a different situation - but I don't see that happening.

In other words - chill and stop acting like the HC hiring process somehow proves the Saints are dumpster fire. Loomis had made a number of gaffes of late, but he did hire Payton, sign Brees and bring New Orleans a Superbowl. So let's just say that his big picture record as GM is 1 and 1. He needs to get the next hire right - and if he does not, it is clearly time for him to go. But let's see what happens next and then judge based on the results.

Oh, I get it now. You seem to believe the Saints are a team that has a chance to be competitive. I am under the impression that the team IS a dumpster fire. Now, I believe that can be fixed but I am not under the delusion that we are going to luck into it. It is going to take a hard reset year (which should have been this year). Unfortunately, we end this season as a dumpster fire on paper while also not being able to say we fixed our aging roster and cap situation. Would have been very nice to live through this season knowing we accomplished a hard reset while sucking. Instead we sucked and now have to suck another year to get back to ground zero.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

How is a HC (who was not fired, just not extended on the terms he wanted) who has a better win/loss record than Sean Payton "bottom of the barrel"?

If the Saints interview McCarthy and prefer to hire a different candidate (Kellen Moore) in the hopes of finding a new gem then that's fine - but I think they are taking a risk. It may or may not be the right move (hindsight is always 20/20). But to me the best indicator of can do is has done, and McCarthy has been a high level HC and OC for his entire career.

Let's see what happens, but I suspect the hire will be McCarthy and that it will turn out to be a pretty good decision relative to the other hires that were available this cycle.

His whole coaching career his QBs were Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott. He’s going to come here to Carr or Rattler. His previous HC record goes out the window then.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

Klint Kubiak left for Seattle?

Yea

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Interestingly, Mike Ditka's win-loss percentage before he was hired by the Saints was higher than McCarthy's win-loss percentage in Green Bay and in Dallas. Past success matters. It is a factor. But there are many factors to consider, and it it is not--as the financial advisers and mutual-fund companies say--determinative of future success.

 

[Nemo]

Interestingly, Mike Ditka's win-loss percentage before he was hired by the Saints was higher than McCarthy's win-loss percentage in Green Bay and in Dallas. Past success matters. It is a factor. But there are many factors to consider, and it it is not--as the financial advisers and mutual-fund companies say--determinative of future success.

It's clear that this decision is down to Kellen Moore versus Mike McCarthy. McCarthy is the "safe" choice due to his skins on the wall; but Moore is strong candidate and a better NFL resume than Joe Brady. Even more interesting choice because of their overlap in Dallas.

Interesting that Jones did not hire him in Dallas; but maybe that's a good sign (Moore did not want to be Jones' puppet(. As fans on the outside looking in (and not interviewing either of them, much less having a deep understanding of their HC credentials we really have no idea which will be the best fit here.

But I think hiring either of these would be a good hiring decision (for different reasons). Let's hope that whichever one they hire works out here.

 

[ravenblade23x]

The panic that has set in over the next HC hire is ridiculous.

Most of the HCs hired in this cycle are either tired retreads (Pete Carroll), Rizzi like "promotions" (Dallas) or coordinators who we have no idea whether they will be good HC material (Chicago). The only one hired in this cycle that would have been a no brainer was Vrabel, and he was never going anywhere besides New England. Johnson from the Lions was the "hot name" on the market this year, but there are rumors about him having a weird personality. Maybe he does great in Chicago (his QB is a weirdo too), but maybe not. There have been many boy wonder OCs hired to become HC that did not pan out (McDaniel for example).

What do you think MM is. He has never had to build a team up from scratch. Both Green Bay and Dallas where already pretty darn good when he arrived. Here on SFF there was a thread mostly mocking the Cowboys for hiring him, calling him a pushover and a "retread".

If MM could not get in done with the talent in Dallas, how do you think he is going to fair any better here. Not going to pretend like the Saints are somehow lucky to hire the great MM, a coach that pretty much noone else wanted either by the way.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I'd rather go with Kellen Moore.

I'm not a believer in McCarthy. Don't get me wrong. He's not a bad coach what so ever. But Green Bay was exceptional at finding talent before him, during his tenure, and after him. I didn't feel Dallas get better or worse during his tenure there acquiring talent. The more I think about that, the more I realize he's always came into good situations coaching.

Not once have we seen him build a team from the ground up in two decades. That's really remarkable if you think about it. So can he?

No idea if Moore can either. But the unknown of Moore makes it all exciting and he has proven to do a tremendous job with the Eagles offense more so then McCarthy did playing calling in Dallas. So I think I would rather take the risk on Moore.

 

[No2DC]

I'd rather go with Kellen Moore.

I'm not a believer in McCarthy. Don't get me wrong. He's not a bad coach what so ever. But Green Bay was exceptional at finding talent before him, during his tenure, and after him. I didn't feel Dallas get better or worse during his tenure there acquiring talent. The more I think about that, the more I realize he's always came into good situations coaching.

Not once have we seen him build a team from the ground up in two decades. That's really remarkable if you think about it. So can he?

No idea if Moore can either. But the unknown of Moore makes it all exciting and he has proven to do a tremendous job with the Eagles offense more so then McCarthy did playing calling in Dallas. So I think I would rather take the risk on Moore.

How can you say that about Mike and not Moore? Dallas and Philly have a lot of talent. I think Garrett got Dallas to the playoffs, and Lamb is an all-pro WR. Not to mention, we don't know if he's a leader of men. Mike coached up AB and a young Rogers.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

How can you say that about Mike and not Moore? Dallas and Philly have a lot of talent. I think Garrett got Dallas to the playoffs, and Lamb is an all-pro WR. Not to mention, we don't know if he's a leader of men. Mike coached up AB and a young Rogers.

I'm not sure what you mean. I thought I made it pretty clear that I don't see any proof that either can do it. It stands to reason that McCarthy did coach up Rodgers. And I know Saints fans love to live inside their blinders, but Brooks wasn't anything at all to brag about from a league perspective and McCarthy brought Brooks with him from Green Bay to NO. And Brooks was bleh. I didn't think he was good then, and I still don't now. And we all know good and well that Rickey and Deuce carried those offenses on their back. Not Brooks carrying the offenses with his arm.