Fans need to have patience with Moore and the Front Office. (11 Viewers)

[los226]

I didn’t like the DA hire, but I still gave it a chance. But after two years I saw enough given the “continuity” circumstances.

I agree with giving Moore and the process at least three years before being critical of the results. It takes time to change things unless Moore is a future hall of fame coach like Sean Payton which is highly unlikely, but you never know.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Just entertainment for me, especially since we won it all. All lagniappe now.

All that aside, I’m excited for the Moore era and won’t judge him at all on year one. He’s got a helluva tough task ahead of him for this next season especially.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

It's a really bad division where 9 wins might win it and 10 wins almost certainly will. And we have a team that won 5 games last year with terrible coaching and a huge amount of injuries at key spots. If they get better health, add some depth, and Moore and his staff are much better than DA and his staff (and I think they are), then adding a few mid-level free agents and a good draft, can get this team to 9 or 10 wins. It's not likely, but it's not delusional to think it's possible.

I think it's completely delusional. Next to the Panthers we have the least amount talent talent in the division.

Falcons and Bucs are much more talented than we are.

We haven't won 10 games in how many years? And all of our older guys that have been slowing wayyy down will only continue to do so.

10 wins is just a crazy expectation to put on a brand new HC. Especially one that has never had to work with as little talent as we do. Remember Moore never lead an offense into the top 10 that hadn't already been there.

 

[SaintJ]

I am going to give them until the week before the draft before I start criticizing them.

 

[sfidc3]

Oh brother the delusion is off the charts with this one.

The part about the Saints winning a very weak division (IF it stays weak, as things do change) is not likely but not delusional.....

The notion that we could be as good as any team in the NFC next year borders on delusion I believe.....

 

[St. Widge]

I think it's completely delusional. Next to the Panthers we have the least amount talent talent in the division.

Falcons and Bucs are much more talented than we are.

We haven't won 10 games in how many years? And all of our older guys that have been slowing wayyy down will only continue to do so.

10 wins is just a crazy expectation to put on a brand new HC. Especially one that has never had to work with as little talent as we do. Remember Moore never lead an offense into the top 10 that hadn't already been there.

It's crazy to expect 10 wins, but it's not delusional to think it's possible if they have a good draft, add a few good mid-level free agents, and have better health.

I think it's far from likely and I think they end up in the 7 to 8 win range, but I don't think it's delusional to think there is some small chance they could turn it around and get to 10 wins. The NFC South is terrible and the vast majority of NFL teams are in the middle with parity moving teams from the playoffs to out year to year. And, in the end, if we think DA was really a bad coach, and we all do, then you would have to think getting a better coach improves the record by a game or two alone. Otherwise, was DA not a bad coach?

 

[NatureBoy]

I do think Loomis needs to pump the brakes on some HC desires, but the above is just not true. In order to give your HC what he wants it requires a lot of skills in negotiations and in handling and projecting the salary cap. Not all of us can do that. And being GM is about more than just those things.

I don't know, I'm pretty good at juggling the credit card and making the minimum payment.

Seriously, I kind of said what I said tongue in cheek. It's just that Mickey has the eternal built in excuse. "Well, I did what the coach wanted." Thats a cop out at some point. Mickey should have stepped in on Sean's last year and said "enough" with mortgaging the future. He didn't. Then he repeated the same thing with DA. I believe the pressure to kick the can actually comes from above Mickey though. When the Saints became winners, they enjoyed the spoils of ticket demand. Thats not the case any more. In the past if you were late renewing your tickets, you were SOL. I cancelled 3 years ago and I still get calls asking me to come back. I believe ownership doesn't want to go through a rebuild. The Saints are a lower end revenue generator in the NFL. If they lose the ticket sales game, it gets worse. I don't believe ownership wants to risk a couple of rebuild years, instead we get mediocrity disguised as possibly being competitive.

We're in a bad spot. I hope Kellen hits a home run in spite of the challenges.

 

[MikeyF]

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[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I think it's far from likely and I think they end up in the 7 to 8 win range, but I don't think it's delusional to think there is some small chance they could turn it around and get to 10 wins. The NFC South is terrible and the vast majority of NFL teams are in the middle with parity moving teams from the playoffs to out year to year.

Year after year we hear about how this division is weak and we can get 10 wins and take it. Year after year we miss out on 10 wins and miss it.

The Bucs are just flat out more talented than we are. The Falcons are up the upswing meanwhile I believe we are on the downswing.

Is it possible? Sure. But we would need to have an incredible draft the likes we haven't in years and hit on some FA wins without the cap to spend (we also should not be big spenders).

And, in the end, if we think DA was really a bad coach, and we all do, then you would have to think getting a better coach improves the record by a game or two alone. Otherwise, was DA not a bad coach?

Sure, DA was absolutely a poor coach. It's just a really high bar to ask 10 wins of a rookie HC with an aging roster with low end talent.

 

[DSnfla]

I think it's completely delusional. Next to the Panthers we have the least amount talent talent in the division.

Falcons and Bucs are much more talented than we are.

We haven't won 10 games in how many years? And all of our older guys that have been slowing wayyy down will only continue to do so.

10 wins is just a crazy expectation to put on a brand new HC. Especially one that has never had to work with as little talent as we do. Remember Moore never lead an offense into the top 10 that hadn't already been there.

LOL 1 of your more ridiculous and wrong posts. in 2018 the Cowboys were 22 in total offense. KM was not the OC . He took over in 2019 and they got to #6. McCarthy became HC in 20 and they dropped to 17. Then in 21 KM as OC he had the #1 offense. SMH

 

[Double_e]

It's crazy to expect 10 wins, but it's not delusional to think it's possible if they have a good draft, add a few good mid-level free agents, and have better health.

I think it's far from likely and I think they end up in the 7 to 8 win range, but I don't think it's delusional to think there is some small chance they could turn it around and get to 10 wins. The NFC South is terrible and the vast majority of NFL teams are in the middle with parity moving teams from the playoffs to out year to year. And, in the end, if we think DA was really a bad coach, and we all do, then you would have to think getting a better coach improves the record by a game or two alone. Otherwise, was DA not a bad coach?

I’m gonna say no one. And I mean NO ONE expected us to go 10-6 (especially after 2005) and get to the NFCCG in 2006 with a new, fairly unknown HC that had his play calling duties stripped from him in a previous stop. Do I think that’ll happen again? Probably not. Is it possible? It’s already been shown that it is. Im looking forward to giving our Saints a shot without shutting it down before it even starts.

 

[Elvis]

And, in the end, if we think DA was really a bad coach, and we all do, then you would have to think getting a better coach improves the record by a game or two alone. Otherwise, was DA not a bad coach?

DA was not just a bad coach. He was bad at putting a roster together and Loomis facilitated that. During his era they favored veteran players over developing young players. The vets are now old and the young guys have little development and experience. So DA is gone, but his roster remains.

 

[StudioSaint]

What has done for us lately?

I don't buy into the mindset of "what have you done for me lately." I think it's short sighted and foolish. Everything in the universe, including the performance of us humans, goes through ebb and flow cycles.

Besides, how far back in time does "lately" go? A nanosecond, a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, 3 years, 5 years, a decade or even more?

Obviously, he gets credit for Payton but the Allen hire, cap management of a non-contending team are questionable to say the least.

I think Allen was objectively a mistake in hindsight. We wouldn't make mistakes if we could make decisions in hindsight.

I think the cap management being a problem is a matter of opinion and not fact. Cap management only becomes a problem if the Saints can't get or keep the players they want to get or keep.

The key phrase being the players the Saints want, not the players the fans want. What players have the Saints wanted to get or keep that they weren't able to get because of the salary cap?

I don't recall the Saints ever having issues with not having enough cap space to offer a contract to a player that want to get or keep. That's why I don't think the Saints cap management style is a problem.

Loomis has several people above him in the Saints hierarchy, none of them seem to have a problem with Loomis' cap management. So, if Loomis' cap management is a problem, then it's as much a Saints organizational problem as it is a Loomis problem.

 

[dvdman]

Come on now, Saints fans don’t even know what the word “patience” means.

 

[St. Widge]

DA was not just a bad coach. He was bad at putting a roster together and Loomis facilitated that. During his era they favored veteran players over developing young players. The vets are now old and the young guys have little development and experience. So DA is gone, but his roster remains.

We will see how much of it remains after free agency and the draft. I would expect a reasonably large amount of turnover. Although it will be limited by the cap situation.

And, part of his bad roster management is that he was bad at picking depth. I have some hope that Moore and his staff will be better at it and that they will play more young guys. I think they certainly will in the long term, but they will have to get very lucky in the short term to really improve the depth this year.