Fans need to have patience with Moore and the Front Office. (7 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Like who? What teams recently have been rebuilding for 20 years?

There's more teams stuck in "purgatory" over/under 3 games .500 than actual tanking teams. Nowadays it only takes a few high pick years in a row to flip the trajectory of your franchise.

Is it a guarantee? No. But it's your best bet.

Cleveland, the Jets, Detroit, and Washington.

 

[Elvis]

Yep. A tank or tear down is no guarantee of success and often leads to 20 to 30 years of misery. Even teams that hit on the tear down, like the Texans, often end up as mid-range teams. And right now they could go either way. On the other hand, there are teams like K.C. and Philly who stuck around in the middle until they hit on a QB and could quickly build from mediocre.

The key is always getting the right QB and building around them so that you have a shot every year and if you have one great draft, or a couple very good, you end up a contender winning 11 to 13 every year.

Most often you get those QBs by picking high in the draft, but that can either be done by record or by trade up, and sometimes you just get lucky finding those QBs in free agency, after the top of the 1st, or in trade. And even then sometimes teams tread water until they hit in the draft.

I've never wanted or asked for this team to tank, but I have asked for it to re-prioritize things a bit. We need youth and we need depth more than we need mid tier veteran players and older players when the team is already bad. When we're good and have most of the right pieces, I'm ok with selling a bit of the future. But it's stupid to sell the future to stick around the middle. We can just let things ride rather than do that.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Cleveland, the Jets, Detroit, and Washington.

Detroit tanked for 4 years.

Commanders tanked for 1.

Browns won 11 games two years ago??

Jets fit the bill. So 1/4.

 

[St. Widge]

I've never wanted or asked for this team to tank, but I have asked for it to re-prioritize things a bit. We need youth and we need depth more than we need mid tier veteran players and older players when the team is already bad. When we're good and have most of the right pieces, I'm ok with selling a bit of the future. But it's stupid to sell the future to stick around the middle. We can just let things ride rather than do that.

I don't disagree and I don't think you do want a tank. And I certainly agree that if/when they spend in free agency, it should be for long term players to build the roster and not short term older players on the decline. That, IMO, is not tanking. Tanking is cutting or trading all your high priced guys and not signing replacements to intentionally have a bad record.

 

[St. Widge]

Detroit tanked for 4 years.

Commanders tanked for 1.

Browns won 11 games two years ago??

Jets fit the bill. So 1/4.

All those teams were bottom feeders for 20 or 30 years and finally got the tank right the last time they tried it after 20 or 30 years. You can't just look at the last time they tanked and it worked in isolation. They tried tanking many times over 20 or 30 years and failed each time.

But, I am curious what teams do you think "tanked" and it worked to the point where they became an elite team? I guess you can say Washington, but we'll see if they can sustain it past this year. The Texans? They seem to be stuck at mid. Buffalo? It took 17 years of losing before they got Allen.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

All those teams were bottom feeders for 20 or 30 years and finally got the tank right the last time they tried it after 20 or 30 years.
You can't just look at the last time they tanked and it worked in isolation. They tried tanking many times over 20 or 30 years and failed each time.

I'm sorry you're just flat out wrong. Go look at their last 5 years each.

Browns have TWO double digit winning seasons and a 7-10, 8-9, season and of course this year their QB got injured and they won 3 games.

Do you count two double digit winning seasons as tanking? What about a 7-10 season or an 8-9? No of course not.

Lions has two back to back 12+ win seasons and a 9-8 season prior to that. None of those 3 are tanking seasons. They tanked the previous 3-4 years however. Two 9 win years before that.

Commanders tanked for one year. Last 5 seasons you have 7-10, 7-9, 8-8, 4-13 (tank for QB), and now 12-5

It seems you have completely lost the meaning of tanking or "bottom feeders". Go look up their records and you'll see.

But, I am curious what teams do you think "tanked" and it worked to the point where they became an elite team? I guess you can say Washington, but we'll see if they can sustain it past this year. The Texans? They seem to be stuck at mid. Buffalo? It took 17 years of losing before they got Allen.

Sure I got you, let's just do recent teams.

Commanders, Lions, Texans, Bengals, and Chargers.

All tanked for a year + and flipped their franchise around.

Is it a fool proof plan? No of course not. But striking gold on a top (?) pick is the easiest way to change everything. It's much more difficult to draft well with middle to late picks. Great teams can. We haven't been able to.

We haven't drafted a pro bowler since McCoy?

Ideally you can rebuild at any draft placement it just gets significantly more difficult and our FO has a very poor track record recently.

 

[No2DC]

True, but the Gayle isn't the same as a Woody Johnson or Jerry Jones or David Tepper. I think there is a realization internally that they aren't handing CKM an ideal situation where those other owners think they are geniuses and that the roster they have is great.

Sounds nice but the norm is three years max and in some cases you can still get fired like Pederson in Jacksonville ( I think they went to playoffs his first year and then regressed).
This whole the Saints are going to operate by a different set of rules than the rest of the league seems backwards and counterproductive.
As, St. Widge said a big part of Mick's legacy is riding on Moore. So if things go wrong we should expect Mick to talk about progress. I'll reserve judgment on KM for two years like other teams in the league. The heck with these dystopia rationalizations.