Finally figured out the Carr conundrum (2 Viewers)

[slaym]

He just needed a new offensive coordinator.

 

[Madmarsha]

He just needed a new offensive coordinator.

Ultimately, that's the answer. What's not clear, to me at least, is why we couldn't or wouldn't cut ties with Pete.

 

[Madmarsha]

His attitude early last year came off to some of us at home as angry, frustrated and maybe even a little entitled. Not leading. More so complaining.

I know some people got that impression but really I never agreed with that ... other than certainly he was probably feeling frustrated as we all were.

 

[Madmarsha]

I think the conondrum was Pete felt an immense amount of pressure last year. They bring in Carr, a 10 year vet, and he expects him to be Drew Brees on the field. They expect a field general and so Pete calls plays like he would if Drew was at the helm. Carr aint Drew and Pete took 13 weeks to figure out he needs to be supported by a ground game. Everytime Pete's playcalling put the offense behind the chains, he would call a play where the QB was expected to get all the yards back and convert, just like Drew did in his heyday. He would simply redistribute the pressure he was feeling over to Carr in those situations and Carr wasn't able to bail him or the offense out.

That's it, that's the story.

Hunna percent. Pete never should have been given the position and Pete never should have accepted it

 

[jahsoul357]

Ultimately, that's the answer. What's not clear, to me at least, is why we couldn't or wouldn't cut ties with Pete.

Because Pete wasn't seen as the primary issue until Week 6 last season, when truth is, he has always been the main villain of the Dennis Allen era.

 

[kcirdor]

Meh, I didn't like when Bobby Hebert would run down the field and get in Eric Martin's face when i was 9... still dont want to see my QB show up his wide out. So its more like we saw "new daddy" scream at momma and we didnt like it.

 

[Madmarsha]

Because Pete wasn't seen as the primary issue until Week 6 last season, when truth is, he has always been the main villain of the Dennis Allen era.

And how do you not was always my question as plenty of us were pointing to Pete from the get go, not just with the benefit of hindsight as "they" will want to claim. How does anyone even remotely familiar with the Payton era not know that Pete was never the playcaller let alone the people inside the front office?

It was so frustrating how long it took for the Saints to admit they were wrong. Yeah, you don't let fans make the decisions; but they were so pathologically mired in the idea of a smooth transition rather than blowing everything up (which I agree with) that it kept them from seeing the forest for the trees and wasted a couple of years of "doing the same thing".

I just wish DA had been a little less nonconfrontational, less antithetical to Sean Payton's style of complete control and insisted on some changes instead of keeping everything status quo.

 

[Madmarsha]

Meh, I didn't like when Bobby Hebert would run down the field and get in Eric Martin's face when i was 9... still dont want to see my QB show up his wide out. So its more like we saw "new daddy" scream at momma and we didnt like it.

How often did Carr do this, though? I just never read Carr being all that aggressive like that.

 

[kcirdor]

How often did Carr do this, though? I just never read Carr being all that aggressive like that.

He did it in like week 2 or 3, so it takes time to regain trust when you snap at people.

 

[NO Saint]

Who's yo Daddy

 

[Madmarsha]

He did it in like week 2 or 3, so it takes time to regain trust when you snap at people.

I get that but we're on the outside looking in. We don't know what he actually said or how he interacted with said player in the locker room or how well said player took such criticism.

 

[kcirdor]

I get that but we're on the outside looking in. We don't know what he actually said or how he interacted with said player in the locker room or how well said player took such criticism.

We know drama queen Mike's take.

 

[Madmarsha]

We know drama queen Mike's take.

Oh, him. Pshaw.

 

[SubmarineMike]

Was thinking about how much of a problem we all had with Carr last year and the only thing I can compare it to is when your parents get divorced and your mom brings home a new guy (Carr) that is trying to replace your dad (Brees). She had a couple of boyfriends in between that you really liked (Winston was the fun guy, Dalton was the good dude who she just didn't have chemistry with). There was a lot of resentment because it felt like we were all being forced together but maybe, just maybe, he was the right choice for her?

If I'm using this analysis, the bigger problem was that every time Carr was around, his buddy (let's call him 'Pete') was hanging around in his dingy underwear, eating all the food, drinking the booze, and generally stinking up the joint to where we associated Carr with 'Pete'.

 

[dutar76]

Not a conundrum. We were losing games we should've won and not looking good doing it. Winning fixes a lot of broken things.