Finally figured out the Carr conundrum (3 Viewers)

[NatureBoy]

He just needed a new offensive coordinator.

Not just a new one, a competent one. Carr never was the problem, but he was brought here to help become part of the solution, which is happening. He walked in to a mess last year, got injured, didn't make excuses and kept his head up. I admire him for that.

 

[jahsoul357]

And how do you not was always my question as plenty of us were pointing to Pete from the get go, not just with the benefit of hindsight as "they" will want to claim. How does anyone even remotely familiar with the Payton era not know that Pete was never the playcaller let alone the people inside the front office?

It was so frustrating how long it took for the Saints to admit they were wrong. Yeah, you don't let fans make the decisions; but they were so pathologically mired in the idea of a smooth transition rather than blowing everything up (which I agree with) that it kept them from seeing the forest for the trees and wasted a couple of years of "doing the same thing".

I just wish DA had been a little less nonconfrontational, less antithetical to Sean Payton's style of complete control and insisted on some changes instead of keeping everything status quo.

Exactly!!!! This is why I believe that DA and our front office made our issues a QB issue and not a "coaching" issue. I do believe that we should have blown it up but when DA said that we were going to run the same offense we have been for the past 16 seasons, I knew something was off (I think it's a post of here of me saying that in real time) because we saw 4 iterations of the offense CSP installed; Early Brees, Prime Brees, Declining Brees, and Winston (which was a combo of early and prime Brees). We should have either ran back everything that we did in 2021 or blew it up. Instead, we got 2 seasons of Pete being horrible at calling plays throughout the game and the lack of preparation was as clear as day.

I still believe something happened behind the scenes between CSP and Loomis. He leaves and we immediately go all in on 2 quarterbacks that Sean wasn't high on. (Russ and Watson). Imagine those 2 playing for DA and Pete....haha. We dodged a .50 cal sized bullet.

Not just a new one, a competent one. Carr never was the problem,

QB was never our issue Naitch and it is great that after these 2 games, we can turn SR into a safe space to honestly discuss this...LOL

 

[NatureBoy]

I think the conondrum was Pete felt an immense amount of pressure last year. They bring in Carr, a 10 year vet, and he expects him to be Drew Brees on the field. They expect a field general and so Pete calls plays like he would if Drew was at the helm. Carr aint Drew and Pete took 13 weeks to figure out he needs to be supported by a ground game. Everytime Pete's playcalling put the offense behind the chains, he would call a play where the QB was expected to get all the yards back and convert, just like Drew did in his heyday. He would simply redistribute the pressure he was feeling over to Carr in those situations and Carr wasn't able to bail him or the offense out.

That's it, that's the story.

The whole thing didn't make sense. Lets see, we are going to run Sean Payton's offense, which was built around Drew Brees, without Sean and Drew, with an OC in name only, at the helm. What could go wrong?

This was all part of Mickey's "continuity" program IMO. When Loomis saw that it wasn't working, DA finally got the chance to bring in his people to fix it.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

The whole thing didn't make sense. Lets see, we are going to run Sean Payton's offense, which was built around Drew Brees, without Sean and Drew, with an OC in name only, at the helm. What could go wrong?

This was all part of Mickey's "continuity" program IMO. When Loomis saw that it wasn't working, DA finally got the chance to bring in his people to fix it.

I agree, it's the reason I tried to get everyone to relax on DA and his decisions. I remember his 1st press conference he was literally introduced as the HC who would keep the continuity and that the dinner was already cooked, he just needed to serve it. He was handcuffed his 1st year and nobody wanted the job his 2nd year so he had to roll w/ Pete.

Most new coaches that come in are afforded the opportunity to tear it down and rebuild it how they want. He wasn't.

 

[bobad]

I've never had a problem with Carr, I just worried a little about his lack of consistency, accuracy, and leadership. It's better this year, so far.

About his lack of chemistry with Shaheed and Olave last year: That's what preseason is for. If you can't develop chemistry from May to September, maybe you should put in more work.

 

[UFCSaint]

Well in his defense last year... He had Carmichael as his OC...

 

[Madmarsha]

wow, thats perfection right there! ok, whats your angle from the coaches point of view? @Madmarsha

Payton is definitely daddy. The relationship had taken its course so it was more or less an amicable split. Be that as it may, I hope he's happy but I still feel a certain way about his new squeeze and I ain't never calling her "mommy". Mommy's new squeeze? Ain't calling him daddy either cos he and I have a few issues we've gotta come to an agree-to-disagree truce on, but I am willing to work on it cos he loves mommy and mommy loves him.

Luckily, his unattached son from a prior relationship -- nice guy but just hung around way too much -- has met a new girl and is now spending all his time with her. This has given him and mommy more alone time and everyone else is getting along, too, so so far, so good. If this trend continues, they say they're hoping to book a venue in February to throw a big party and celebrate this second chance at love.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I didn't have a problem with Carr last year. Some people had a problem with Carr last year, not "we all."

This for me also...although I admit wavering with the lost composure/showing up teammates stuff. My point: in fairness, some of the lack of love was self-inflicted.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

Damn, Mom, settle down.

Underrated Comment. I wish we could give out trophies for the best comments of the thread, day, week, month, season, and year. Cuz, I'd nominate this for a weekly trophy, minimum. LOLOLOL

 

[Rexman100]

Payton is definitely daddy. The relationship had taken its course so it was more or less an amicable split. Be that as it may, I hope he's happy but I still feel a certain way about his new squeeze and I ain't never calling her "mommy". Mommy's new squeeze? Ain't calling him daddy either cos he and I have a few issues we've gotta come to an agree-to-disagree truce on, but I am willing to work on it cos he loves mommy and mommy loves him.

Luckily, his unattached son from a prior relationship -- nice guy but just hung around way too much -- has met a new girl and is now spending all his time with her. This has given him and mommy more alone time and everyone else is getting along, too, so so far, so good. If this trend continues, they say they're hoping to book a venue in February to throw a big party and celebrate this second chance at love.

I’m serious, this is really spot on,

 

[DSnfla]

Ultimately, that's the answer. What's not clear, to me at least, is why we couldn't or wouldn't cut ties with Pete.

The Saints as a whole value loyalty. There was really nothing screaming that Pete would not be at least competent as a play-caller, I mean it was PC that called plays in the 62-7 game against the Colts . In 2012 with SP gone the O did fine, not great but good. Now that was with DB @ QB. 22, QB play was below avg so I'm guessing that the loyalty thing came into play, so they went out and got DC. What the FO should have seen, and we don't know how much ML may have pushed to keep PC after 22. They should have known that PC is just not cut out to be an OC. He's just not a leader, beyond any play-calling duties. He's a play design analytical kind of guy and he's good at that

 

[Stinkers]

Not just a new one, a competent one. Carr never was the problem, but he was brought here to help become part of the solution, which is happening. He walked in to a mess last year, got injured, didn't make excuses and kept his head up. I admire him for that.

Just like how the Raiders hired that moron Josh McD and he tried to get Carr to play in his scheme, instead of tweaking his scheme around Carr's strengths. Then he scapegoated Carr after the worst (statistically) year of his career, then benched and released him. Brought in Jimmy G, who was supposed to be "perfect" for McDouche's scheme... but he was so terrible he led the league in INT's even though he missed ~2 games with injuries. Then he got canned as well.

Carr comes here and tries his best in the archaic Carmichael playbook, gets hurt because of the terrible OL and schemes (why didn't we run more?!) and PC gets fired as well. New OC comes in... perfect match for Carr, Kamara, the OL is even playing better.

Gee I wonder if coaching matters after all? Some moronic fans (no matter which team they root for) always blame the QB1 or blame other players, when about 90% of the losses are on the coaching staff.

 

[solarbear88]

1st and 2nd down are the teams responsibility. 3rd down is the QBs. The number of times he was put in 3rd and 10+ by the team was disgusting. The offensive scheme was horrendous with a half dozen checks and options every play for every position - look at how well it's working for Payton, Carmichael and Nix.

 

[DoubleSaint]

Daddy Sean Payton left us for a young hottie in Denver

You might need to get those eyes tested cos she’s a 4.7 at best.

 

[Madmarsha]

The whole thing didn't make sense. Lets see, we are going to run Sean Payton's offense, which was built around Drew Brees, without Sean and Drew, with an OC in name only, at the helm. What could go wrong?

Well, sure, I mean it's obvious when you put it like that, you know, with the truth and all.

This was all part of Mickey's "continuity" program IMO. When Loomis saw that it wasn't working, DA finally got the chance to bring in his people to fix it.

Continuity program. Succinct way to put it. Like it.