For Drew Brees To Be Considered One Of The Best NFL QB Of All Time (4 Viewers)

[SaintsFanInLA]

If Marino had a ring, he would probably be considered the best QB of all time.

I am not sold on that theory because having 4 rings with MVP type numbers a la Bradshaw and Montana; and Brady with 3 rings with 50 TDs in one season, those are all pretty fair arguments for the G.O.A.T.

I am not dissing Marino because what he did with Mark Super Duper and Mark Clayton was spectacular. But I also think that Dan Fouts was an incredible QB in league with Marino, however he could not be considered the greatest of all time.

I am thinking if Drew wins one more ring with the numbers he's averaging the discussion will start, if he wins 2 more rings, it will really heat up and if he wins 3 more, then it will be a full blown debate. However, if he has 4 more 4000 yd seasons, even without the rings, you have to CONSIDER him.

 

[Bartyboy]

OK here is how I see it. I am going off of postseason and SB performance.
The reason I do that is because to separate the great from the best you have to see how they play when it really matters and for the team to make it to the playoffs the whole team has to be good. I list TDs vs INT in Playoffs because INTs in the playoffs are the most telling stat in whether or not the team wins or losses.

Montana 4 SBs wins 0 lost beat Marino postseason record 16 wins 7 lost, 45 TD 21 INT
Drew Brees 1 SB win 0 lost beat Manning postseason record 4 -2, 13 TD 2 INT
Tom Brady- 3 SBs wins 1 lost Wins postseason record 14 - 4 28 TD 15 INT
Peyton Manning- 1 SB win 1 lost postseason record 9-9 28 TD 19 INT
Marino 0 SB wins 1 lost to Montana
So far Montana is the best. Sorry.

If Brady would have beaten the Giants then he would have been second outright. I put them tied in postseason. Right now going off their record alone Brady is slightly ahead of Drew but Drews postseason 13 TDs to 2 INTs shows better play in the playoffs just not as many appearances. The 13 TDs to just 2 INTs in postseason is the best by far.

Manning 3rd. the 9 -9 postseason play is average at best.
Marino 4th. lost his only SB.

For Drew to be the best he has to win every SB he plays in and don't throw any INTs.
I would say that if he gets 2 more rings then he will be the best.
If Drew had 3 SB wins 0 lost. postseason record 12-3 34 TD 4 INTs
Then he will have the record that shows the world he is the best.

 

[lvsaintsfan57]

First off I'd like to say, Horry is about as clutch as they get (aside of Jordan single handedly taking over games). When (especially) he was with the Lakers, PJ would keep him out most of the game then put him in (especially in playoffs and championship games) in the end to drain threes.

Now that I got off subject, I think of all the present day QBs (and I'm putting my homerism aside), Drew has the best chance of claiming G.O.A.T. IMHO, Montana has that label, and I know it's debatable, but Brees is more or less today's version of Montana. I think it's realistic to think Brees has another 2-4 championships in him as long as improvements on defense keep coming. The similarities between the two are almost eerie. If you look at both rosters (from the late 80s, early 90s) you can almost plug the names in at the same positions and it's pretty much a wash... Even on defense.

 

[Anteros77]

Marino is in the discussion because he put up all those records during an era where passing the ball was harder. In order for Drew to even be considered the GOAT he's going to have to win at least 2 more super bowls while still putting up excellent numbers.

 

[Saint Kamara]

Drew Brees with another 6 productive seasons approaches Marino's numbers and would have at least one championship to his credit.

So he would be in the discussion then.

In another 4 seasons he eclipses elway's numbers and if he wins a 2nd championship by then he will be considered as well.

 

[fwaokda]

If Brees wins four more Super Bowls he'll be considered the Babe Ruth of Football.

 

[THENZA]

How anyone can question whether or not Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time is beyond me. The dude is one of the faces of the NFL. Look, I don't have any particular affinity for the Colts or Manning in particular, but does anyone here not truly believe that he single-handedly made that organization a winner. The Colt's coaching staff is interchangeable. Manning wills that team to double digit wins every year. I agree that Drew is in the discussion also, but don't act like he has done anything that Manning hasn't.

 

[texasjefe]

I think Montana is the best of all time, but that's subjective and he had weapons, a coach, and a defense to get there. It is truly subjective and I think the real honor is to get named as part of the group of possibles across the decades. Drew's knocking on that door, but needs multiple rings to get there.

That being said, I'd just like Breesus to go to camp, get back to his work, and take it one day and one day at a time.

 

[lvsaintsfan57]

How anyone can question whether or not Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time is beyond me. The dude is one of the faces of the NFL. Look, I don't have any particular affinity for the Colts or Manning in particular, but does anyone here not truly believe that he single-handedly made that organization a winner. The Colt's coaching staff is interchangeable. Manning wills that team to double digit wins every year. I agree that Drew is in the discussion also, but don't act like he has done anything that Manning hasn't.

Aside of turning a franchise that's been ridden with losing seasons and mediocrity into a perennial contender. I'm not knocking Manning at all, but to slight what Brees has done with this franchise... Ever since Manning has been there he's been surrounded by talent. Brees has (since he landed in NO) had some great hands, but if Lance Moore landed in Indy and Garcon landed in NO, I would bet Garcon would be the winner.

 

[Yasha1969]

Aside of turning a franchise that's been ridden with losing seasons and mediocrity into a perennial contender. I'm not knocking Manning at all, but to slight what Brees has done with this franchise...

Actually the arcs are rather similar. In the 14 years after leaving Baltimore but before Manning's arrival, the Colts won 88 games (2-3 in playoffs). In the 14 seasons before Brees, the Saints won 97 games (1-2 in playoffs). Both teams went 3-13 the season before the QB in question arrived - and the Colts did it without a hurricane.

That said, Brees obviously has 3 years on Manning to compile a better career playoff record. And he'll need it to balance out Manning's stats, which are just gaudy. (Win a bar bet with this: Mark Brunell still has more career passing yards than Brees - at least until this October.)

 

[tonythesaint]

If you buy into the recent articles and media hype about how much easier it is for QB's in these pass first offenses then their making it very hard for him to be considered Greatest Of All Time. Some of the rule changes benefit the offense obviously but don't get fooled by a bunch of yards. Brees is better because of completion % TD to INT ratio and his uncanny ability to avoid sacks(Yes I know we have a great offensive line). So if a lot of these QB's numbers start to increase then it comes back to CHAMPIONSHIPS. When Brees wins 2 more if brady or manning don't win any he has a good chance. If he wins 3 more it's a LOCK!!!

 

[mmule]

OK here is how I see it. I am going off of postseason and SB performance.
The reason I do that is because to separate the great from the best you have to see how they play when it really matters and for the team to make it to the playoffs the whole team has to be good. I list TDs vs INT in Playoffs because INTs in the playoffs are the most telling stat in whether or not the team wins or losses.

Montana 4 SBs wins 0 lost beat Marino postseason record 16 wins 7 lost, 45 TD 21 INT
Drew Brees 1 SB win 0 lost beat Manning postseason record 4 -2, 13 TD 2 INT
Tom Brady- 3 SBs wins 1 lost Wins postseason record 14 - 4 28 TD 15 INT
Peyton Manning- 1 SB win 1 lost postseason record 9-9 28 TD 19 INT
Marino 0 SB wins 1 lost to Montana
So far Montana is the best. Sorry.

I'm inclined to agree with you (Montana) and love your numbers here. But I wanted to add Bradshaw and Starr (I took a quick look at Unitas but he's not in league with these two).

Starr: 5 NFL Championships (2 SBs) Postseason 9-1. 15 TD 3 INT Rate: 104.3
Bradshaw: 4-0 Superbowl. Postseason 14-5. 30 TDs 26 INT. Rate: 83.0


Bradshaw's got the record and the rings but threw way too many picks, even for that time period.
Bart Starr's gotta be in this discussion.

 

[Nonreg]

Considering how our offense is built around the success/failure ratio of Drew Brees, if he were to win 2-4 more championships he would most definately be the best QB of all time.

 

[Anteros77]

Aside of turning a franchise that's been ridden with losing seasons and mediocrity into a perennial contender. I'm not knocking Manning at all, but to slight what Brees has done with this franchise... Ever since Manning has been there he's been surrounded by talent. Brees has (since he landed in NO) had some great hands, but if Lance Moore landed in Indy and Garcon landed in NO, I would bet Garcon would be the winner.

You do realize that Manning was selected #1 overall and turned his team around almost immediately? Teams that are loaded with talent don't select #1 overall.

 

[Anteros77]

I'm inclined to agree with you (Montana) and love your numbers here. But I wanted to add Bradshaw and Starr (I took a quick look at Unitas but he's not in league with these two).

Starr: 5 NFL Championships (2 SBs) Postseason 9-1. 15 TD 3 INT Rate: 104.3
Bradshaw: 4-0 Superbowl. Postseason 14-5. 30 TDs 26 INT. Rate: 83.0


Bradshaw's got the record and the rings but threw way too many picks, even for that time period.
Bart Starr's gotta be in this discussion.

For some reason Starr, Johnny U, and Graham always seem to get left out of this discussion. They are definitely contenders.