Harry Potter TV Series (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

Saying Rowling supports your position is not as firm a ground as you assert

I mean, sure when she gets involved in stuff she knows nothing about, but when it's about a world she created, can you think of a better source?

 

[St. Widge]

Some of y’all have never been to the country where you’ll regularly see fine *** women with complete doofus men
Hermione and Ron make sense- he is a source of goofiness and comfort (2 things she lacks entirely) and of course someone she can ‘fix’
Harry doesn’t need a GF, he needs a peer - he can’t get comfortable, he needs to be pushed/challnged
As a relationship H/H compliment what the other is already good at
Hermione and Ron make each other better
Ginny offers Harry a more comforting version of Hermione, but with the added sense of home/family that Harry always lacked and yearned for

I have been to America.

You can create justifications all you want, but the fact is that Ron is an idiot and nobody as smart as Hermoine would want to deal with him long term. If they make sense as a couple, then it's a couple that gets divorced in a few years realizing that neither is fit for the other and they actually hold each other back from being who they are.

Harry and Hermoine compliment each other. Hermoine is brilliant but lacks confidence and a real sense of adventure. Harry comes close to her in intellect, occasionally challenging her, and gives her the courage, confidence, and sense of adventure that she needs to be great.

Beyond all that Harry and Ginny just make no sense. They aren't similar and he's not the type of guy she had gone for in the past. The only way it could make sense is that she fell for him after he saved her life and he feels obligated to continue protecting her. She want to be saved and he needs to save people. But, that co-dependent basis of relationship is doomed to fail or at best result in a cold, loveless marriage.

 

[St. Widge]

I wonder if that statement explains GRRM's inability to finish book six (much less the entire series). Maybe he just became exhausted from the intricacies of the story he'd written and can't get anything further out of his brain when he tries to go forward.

I think he legitimately was not sure what a satisfying ending would be and when the one he gave to HBO was so widely panned, he became terrified of writing a terrible ending to the books that would be just as widely panned.

That and I think he's afraid that if he finished the books people won't pay attention to him anymore.

 

[St. Widge]

I don’t think it was just the show runners wanting to move on though, the cast seemed drained and ready for it to be over with too.

Kit Harrington has admitted that the end of the show was probably rushed but that he didn’t see an alternative because they were all exhausted and ready to move on. Another season just wasn’t going to happen.

That’s my main concern with the planning on 10 seasons for this show.

Sure, but big fat checks from Time Warner could have made those actors be okay with one more season. It's not like any of them have really gone on to great careers after GoT.

 

[Cage1]

I mean, sure when she gets involved in stuff she knows nothing about, but when it's about a world she created, can you think of a better source?

See, e.g., John Carpenter re. Wang Chi as the Hero in Big Trouble in Little China, discussed supra at p. 5, #68.

 

[St. Widge]

See, e.g., John Carpenter re. Wang Chi as the Hero in Big Trouble in Little China, discussed supra at p. 5, #68.

But that's not what's happening here. We aren't talking about making Harry the bad guy and Voldermort the good guy. We are talking about how to resolve the sub-plot love triangle.

 

[livefromDC]

Yeah, I disagree a bit on sticking the landing perfectly on the ending. It worked, but there were issues with it.

It was a satisfying ending but definitely not perfect. Michael Gambon is a fine actor but he was terrible as Dumbledore. Admittedly got better in 6, but was still didn't get it right. Would love to see him portrayed better with a more on character depiction of his flaws and compassion.

My #1 gripe by far is the way in which Voldemort died. With all the mythology and fear surrounding him, he ABSOLUTELY had to die in full view of everyone at the Battle of Hogwarts. His body wasn't supposed to disappear. His lifeless body was supposed to fall to the ground like anyone else who had just been killed. The way he died continues to annoy me to no end! His death left no reason for anyone to think he was finally gone for good. The book got this right by a mile and movie made it some mystical crap that only Harry was there to witness. Smh, totally got it wrong.

 

[St. Widge]

It was a satisfying ending but definitely not perfect. Michael Gambon is a fine actor but he was terrible as Dumbledore. Admittedly got better in 6, but was still didn't get it right. Would love to see him portrayed better with a more on character depiction of his flaws and compassion.

My #1 gripe by far is the way in Voldemort died. With all the mythology and fear surrounding him, he ABSOLUTELY had to die in full view of everyone at the Battle of Hogwarts. His body wasn't supposed to disappear. His lifeless body was supposed to fall to the ground like anyone else who had just been killed. The way he died continues to annoy me to no end! His death left no reason for anyone to think he was finally gone for good. The book got this right by a mile and movie made it some mystical crap that only Harry was there to witness. Smh, totally got it wrong.

That's a fair criticism of the end. I guess I just didn't feel the ambiguity when I saw it but frankly, even with a body I'm not sure in a world of magic anyone should ever think someone is gone for good? Especially Voldermort?

Anyway, it's a fair criticism, and Gambon never seemed quite right for Dumbledore. I know they were forced to replace Richard Harris (who was great in the role), but Gambon just didn't seem right to me. I know it's bit on the nose, but I really would have liked to see if Ian McKellen could have pulled it off. But, there was a risk he just would have been Gandalf in a Harry Potter movie. Maybe Patrick Stewart with a wig?

 

[UptownSaintsFan]

Um…with all due respect …HUH?!?
Clearly they wanted the River run battle to be the penultimate 9th episode
And every book reader ive heard has said there’s more than enough material for multiple more seasons

just finished the book and i agree with you. 4 seasons sounds perfect.

 

[Taurus]

It's like John Carpenter saying Wang Chi is the hero of Big Trouble in Little China. I respect your opinion as the creator, but it's objectively false.

Or like Ridley Scott saying Deckard is a replicant.

 

[tenordas]

Or like Ridley Scott saying Deckard is a replicant.

Although the difference there is he didn't write the story like Carpenter and Rowling did, respectively.

Philip K. Dick said Ridley Scott was wrong, Deckard definitely is not a replicant, and that in fact, part of the point of the story is how he's been dehumanized by his occupation of hunting and killing replicants.

 

[St. Widge]

Although the difference there is he didn't write the story like Carpenter and Rowling did, respectively.

Philip K. Dick said Ridley Scott was wrong, Deckard definitely is not a replicant, and that in fact, part of the point of the story is how he's been dehumanized by his occupation of hunting and killing replicants.

You know, I read the book and it seemed clear to me that Deckard was a replicant. Did Dick really say that he wasn't?

 

[tenordas]

You know, I read the book and it seemed clear to me that Deckard was a replicant. Did Dick really say that he wasn't?

100%.

Philip K. Dick

"The purpose of this story as I saw it was that in his job of hunting and killing these replicants, Deckard becomes progressively dehumanized. At the same time, the replicants are being perceived as becoming more human. Finally, Deckard must question what he is doing, and really what is the essential difference between him and them? And, to take it one step further, who is he if there is no real difference?

But there are clear indications in the story as well. The androids in the story can't feel empathy and they think that Mercersim (which was left out of the film entirely) is a scam. Deckard clearly feels empathy towards others, even the androids themselves eventually. He also experiences Mercerism and in the opening, he uses an empathy box, which we're later told the androids aren't able to use. Clearly, Deckard cannot be an android.

The ambiguity is on purpose because Dick is trying to point out that we as humans must retain our empathy or we have no more "right to exist" than the androids who have no feelings of concern for life forms other than their personal self. This is where Deckard is in wrestling with the fact he kills living beings as a vocation. Dick is using the androids as a metaphor for humanity's (at "the ruling class") maltreatment of animals and nature as a whole, and Deckard basically is humanity growing a conscience.

 

[St. Widge]

100%.

Philip K. Dick

But there are clear indications in the story as well. The androids in the story can't feel empathy and they think that Mercersim (which was left out of the film entirely) is a scam. Deckard clearly feels empathy towards others, even the androids themselves eventually. He also experiences Mercerism and in the opening, he uses an empathy box, which we're later told the androids aren't able to use. Clearly, Deckard cannot be an android.

The ambiguity is on purpose because Dick is trying to point out that we as humans must retain our empathy or we have no more "right to exist" than the androids who have no feelings of concern for life forms other than their personal self. This is where Deckard is in wrestling with the fact he kills living beings as a vocation. Dick is using the androids as a metaphor for humanity's (at "the ruling class") maltreatment of animals and nature as a whole, and Deckard basically is humanity growing a conscience.

I suppose I read those things as signs that Deckard was a replicant that had gained consciousness. But if Dick says he wasn't then he Wasn't.