HB71 - Requires Louisiana Schools to display the 10 commandments passes with Bipartisan Support 82 - 19 (3 Viewers)

[kcirdor]

So dont know any of the 10 Commandments, dont know anything about the Establishment clause, but do know they dont like the ruling by the court?

welcome to 2024 and the information reduction era.

They dont care for the ruling because they only know what they read/hear from their preferred method of info gathering. Which, id have to suspect, is either Instagram or TikTok. ( or family )

So business as usual for most tribe members.

 

[efil4stnias]

So business as usual for most tribe members.

I dont know that its "tribal" just yet.

Id argue that its "path of least resistance" now, which can lead to becoming "tribal" later if you fully disregard critical thinking for "ease of information".

To be fair, at 18, i didnt give 2 poops what the government was/was not doing. I had so many other priorities. Further, being a senior, what do i care what my school is doing next year and years to come? im graduating and moving on.

 

[kcirdor]

To be fair, at 18, i didnt give 2 poops what the government was/was not doing. I had so many other priorities. Further, being a senior, what do i care what my school is doing next year and years to come? im graduating and moving on.

I did at 18.. but now i don't. They all get donations from the same people and are beholdened to them to make sure they can keep getting donations.. so damned if you do.. peace of mind if you dont.

 

[St. Widge]

I dunno with the way stuff looks, while maybe not shocking.. its at least comforting.

I mean I think the law on this is pretty clear even to those predisposed to want them posted, but sure some Judges might ignore that. But Judge deGravels is a good Judge overall and I don't think the 5th Circuit is going to overrule him. On the other hand given the composition of SCOTUS, I'm not as confident as I used to be that they will not overrule him despite many years of precedent and the clear wording of the Constitution.

 

[St. Widge]

Of course it’s only the beginning. Louisiana taxes are going to be used to take this to the 5th Circuit and SCOTUS.

Yep. And like I just said, I'm fairly confident the 5th Circuit will do the right thing but I'm not as confident as I once was that SCOTUS will do the right thing.

 

[St. Widge]

So dont know any of the 10 Commandments, dont know anything about the Establishment clause, but do know they dont like the ruling by the court?

welcome to 2024 and the information reduction era.

They dont care for the ruling because they only know what they read/hear from their preferred method of info gathering. Which, id have to suspect, is either Instagram or TikTok. ( or family )

I suspect in parts of LA it's more about what they hear from their family and their friends families than anything else. It's likely essentially a cultural predisposition for the area to think that everyone believes in the Christian Bible, or should, and there is nothing wrong with the government enforcing that since we are a Christian Nation. Evangelizing, even through the government, just seems like how things should work to some.

I don't think social media has much to do with it or really much deals with this sort of things for kids that age.

 

[Dago]

My students had an unexpected reaction to this. Now, granted, I live in a red area of Louisiana, but over half of them didn't care for the ruling. While they couldn't name the Decalogue (in any order), they didn't understand why displaying them in every classroom would be unconstitutional. It prompted a fairly decent discussion about the Establishment Clause, etc. I am an ELA teacher of 12th graders and so I was more than a little surprised at their reaction.

I'm glad you were able to discuss the legality of this with them and the reason it is wrong. How did they react to it?

 

[Dago]

Yep. And like I just said, I'm fairly confident the 5th Circuit will do the right thing but I'm not as confident as I once was that SCOTUS will do the right thing.

Check out this article...it's from politico and really makes a good objective, fact based analysis of SCOTUS decisions by the current court. It isn't nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be

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Certainly food for thought

 

[DaveXA]

Check out this article...it's from politico and really makes a good objective, fact based analysis of SCOTUS decisions by the current court. It isn't nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be

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Certainly food for thought

The problem with that is their rulings on 2 of the most important issues were pretty shocking and certainly unprecedented. It's definitely a mixed bag in several respects, but the trends aren't good.

 

[St. Widge]

Check out this article...it's from politico and really makes a good objective, fact based analysis of SCOTUS decisions by the current court. It isn't nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be

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Certainly food for thought

I have no idea how the media makes it out to be. But I do know that they have reversed precedent in several recent cases. They probably won't in this instance, but I'm less confident of that than I was 5 or 10 years ago.

I honestly seldom read anything the media has to say about legal cases because they seldom understand the issues involved and seldom understand the actual rulings or the reasons for them because, except for a very small number, they aren't trained in how to read cases and interpret them.

And to be clear, my lack of confidence isn't really because of any perceived political ideology of the members of SCOTUS as much as it is a willingness to ignore precedent. And frankly I think for many years SCOTUS has made results based decisions that I don't think really followed the law on both sides of the political spectrum.

It would also probably surprise you which cases I think they decided correctly and which I think they didn't. Because some of those decision that I think were right went against my political leanings and some of the cases that I think were wrong were in favor of my political leanings. But, overall, I think SCOUTS tends to rule on the law and not on politics but the only cases the vast majority of people here about are the political hot potatoes.

Edit: But I will say that after reading the Politico article they do a pretty good job of getting beyond political biases and seeing some of the things that are really behind some of the rulings. I do think SCOTUS sometimes rules based on their own personal beliefs and the results they want instead of ruling on the law as they should, but those beliefs aren't always political and sometimes have more to do with how they view and interpret the law than politics. After all, even people in the same party don't agree on everything.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I have no idea how the media makes it out to be. But I do know that they have reversed precedent in several recent cases. They probably won't in this instance, but I'm less confident of that than I was 5 or 10 years ago.

I honestly seldom read anything the media has to say about legal cases because they seldom understand the issues involved and seldom understand the actual rulings or the reasons for them because, except for a very small number, they aren't trained in how to read cases and interpret them.

The LegalAF channel on YT usually gives a good analysis and breakdown of cases in court. It can get a bit partisan in politics but the legal knowledge is there.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I'm glad you were able to discuss the legality of this with them and the reason it is wrong. How did they react to it?

Most of them seemed to understand why the government forcing the 10 Commandments on everyone was against the Constitution. I made sure to let them know that it wasn't an attack on the religion, just a way of keeping the government from forcing a religion on everyone. I was also sure to let them know that I wish they all had a fairly broad understanding of religions because it would make understanding some of our texts easier.

 

[Dago]

Most of them seemed to understand why the government forcing the 10 Commandments on everyone was against the Constitution. I made sure to let them know that it wasn't an attack on the religion, just a way of keeping the government from forcing a religion on everyone. I was also sure to let them know that I wish they all had a fairly broad understanding of religions because it would make understanding some of our texts easier.

Thank you for doing that

 

[superchuck500]

So dont know any of the 10 Commandments, dont know anything about the Establishment clause, but do know they dont like the ruling by the court?

welcome to 2024 and the information reduction era.

They dont care for the ruling because they only know what they read/hear from their preferred method of info gathering. Which, id have to suspect, is either Instagram or TikTok. ( or family )

Could also be that they are 17/18 and see this as a court being activist and ruling that something approved by a vote can’t be done. It can be a reflexive feeling against a sort of intrusion.

For kids that haven’t learned yet about how the Constitution works with respect to minority rights, that’s not an irrational response I don’t think.

 

[St. Widge]

Could also be that they are 17/18 and see this as a court being activist and ruling that something approved by a vote can’t be done. It can be a reflexive feeling against a sort of intrusion.

For kids that haven’t learned yet about how the Constitution works with respect to minority rights, that’s not an irrational response I don’t think.

Yeah, I doubt these kids have a sound understanding of Maubury v. Madison and the concept of Judicial Review. And they likely have generally heard complaints from their families about Judges making law/activist courts and think this is one of those cases.

Honestly, I don't think I learned about it or understood it until law school.