Here’s what I have learned in the divisional games… The HC only matters a little bit. (1 Viewer)

[St. Geezy]

Last year Allen was being discussed as the most overrated QB in the league and is now looking at possible MVP. Granted the change was an OC and not HC, but a bad coach has bad dynamics that trickles down to the whole team like a tumor. Likewise if he has good dynamics it’s the same. Coaching is super important to elevate players and put them in position to succeed.

Morbid analogy…probably very accurate, but still, morbid.

 

[los226]

Only thing that matters is the QB. As long as you have the right QB, then you always have a chance. The Saints haven’t drafted a QB in the first round since Archie Manning. They got lucky with Brees and I guess the expectation is for that to happen again.

 

[DSnfla]

Last year Allen was being discussed as the most overrated QB in the league and is now looking at possible MVP. Granted the change was an OC and not HC, but a bad coach has bad dynamics that trickles down to the whole team like a tumor. Likewise if he has good dynamics it’s the same. Coaching is super important to elevate players and put them in position to succeed.

If anyone was saying Allen was the most overrated QB in the league they were just dumb. The problem is now a days there are too many wannabe youtube self-called experts . And even worse is people take them serious when they are just click bait artist

 

[Saintslfc13]

If anyone was saying Allen was the most overrated QB in the league they were just dumb. The problem is now a days there are too many wannabe youtube self-called experts . And even worse is people take them serious when they are just click bait artist

Yea, I don't know who was talking about Allen being overrated but anyone saying that would've seriously devalued their opinion on judging a modern NFL QB in my estimation. The guy does it all and this year he's doing it without a receiver anyone would've called a star before the season started if they even would now. Last season he did throw 18 picks but he's that cut down to 6 this year. I'm pretty sure the only teams in the league that wouldn't have traded their current QB for Josh Allen over the last off-season if it were possible are the Chiefs, Ravens, and Bengals. He's a clear upgrade over everyone else in the league.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Morbid analogy…probably very accurate, but still, morbid.

LOL. Ya, not a fun analogy. But it is accurate.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Yea, I don't know who was talking about Allen being overrated but anyone saying that would've seriously devalued their opinion on judging a modern NFL QB in my estimation. The guy does it all and this year he's doing it without a receiver anyone would've called a star before the season started if they even would now. Last season he did throw 18 picks but he's that cut down to 6 this year. I'm pretty sure the only teams in the league that wouldn't have traded their current QB for Josh Allen over the last off-season if it were possible are the Chiefs, Ravens, and Bengals. He's a clear upgrade over everyone else in the league.

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[Rouxble]

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A simple google search for 2023 articles will show you exactly how the media was viewing him last year prior to Joe Brady taking over OC duties and playcalling.

LOL. Your search points to a list of articles talking about the same anonymous player survey where Allen received a whopping 11 out of 103 votes for most overrated QB in the league. It is revisionist history to say Allen was bad before Brady, he had three consecutive 4k yard seasons with 35+ passing TD’s each year before Brady was OC (he wasn’t even on the staff the first two years).

 

[3ParStillDriver]

LOL. Your search points to a list of articles talking about the same anonymous player survey where Allen received a whopping 11 out of 103 votes for most overrated QB in the league. It is revisionist history to say Allen was bad before Brady, he had three consecutive 4k yard seasons with 35+ passing TD’s each year before Brady was OC (he wasn’t even on the staff the first two years).

two of the articles, yes. But if you keep going theres more.

In a piece for ESPN, NFL executives and scouts helped Jeremy Fowler make a top 10 quarterback list. Allen came in high at No. 3, but one executive had a rather outlandish take.

"One of the more overrated players in the NFL," the executive said. "Immense talent but he makes a lot of mistakes. He's underdeveloped at winning at the line of scrimmage, tends to lock on to targets, more of a thrower than precision passer, forces throws into traffic."

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/bills-central/news/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-overrated-nfl-executive-wild-take-espn

That's an NFL exec being quoted. Not a poll. And there's more like that. Try not rushing to prove a point and actually looking deeper.

 

[Rouxble]

two of the articles, yes. But if you keep going theres more.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/bills-central/news/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-overrated-nfl-executive-wild-take-espn

That's an NFL exec being quoted. Not a poll. And there's more like that. Try not rushing to prove a point and actually looking deeper.

LOL again. That article says Jeremy Fowler named Allen the third best QB, but one single NFL executive out of all the executives on 32 teams felt he was overrated. My guess is the executive and those eleven players are rivals of the Bills and have an ax to grind due to losing to them so often.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

LOL again. That article says Jeremy Fowler named Allen the third best QB, but one single NFL executive out of all the executives on 32 teams felt he was overrated. My guess is the executive and those eleven players are rivals of the Bills and have an ax to grind due to losing to them so often.

My response, and specifically the quote from the NFL exec was targeted at the below quote to show those opinions happened at the professional level. Keep up. Just because your opinion is different, doesn't mean these opinions didn't exist. Do better.

Yea, I don't know who was talking about Allen being overrated but anyone saying that would've seriously devalued their opinion on judging a modern NFL QB in my estimation.

 

[Rouxble]

My response, and specifically the quote from the NFL exec was targeted at the below quote to show those opinions happened at the professional level. Keep up. Just because your opinion is different, doesn't mean these opinions didn't exist. Do better.

OK, so one guy says he is overrated, and Brady fixed that.

LOL.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

OK, so one guy says he is overrated, and Brady fixed that.

LOL.

18 interceptions in 2023 to just 6 in 2024. Yes. Brady fixed that. Again, saying random stuff. It's almost as if you never watch football.

And saying LOL in every post doesn't help your point any.

 

[Hedon James]

Yes, QB is by far the most important position on the team, and to win the Super Bowl you need an above average, two dimensional QB, but it’s not hopeless. A great HC who can evaluate talent, motivate, and make good decisions can find a way to get a team into position to succeed and find the right QB.

I think this is an astute observation that many of us are overlooking...myself included. The best coaches in the NFL right now have reputations as "QB gurus" or "QB whisperers". They seem to know what the right ratio of underlying factors might portend to greatness at the position.

CSP has a track record for rejuvenating flailing QBs to All-Pro seasons, or identifying and polishing UDFA gems into All-Pros. Not just once...several times. Andy Reid has a track record that looks very similar....Donovan McNabb, resurrecting Mike Vick's career, make Kevin Kolb look All-Pro for the Eagles; and propping up Alex Smith before he hit the jackpot with Mahomes. Again....multiple times. After this season, I think I would consider Vikings HC Kevin O'Connell to be of a similar mold. Dude has elevated QB play everywhere he has coached, whether inherited or whether chosen. I think we can put McCarthy in this group also. Going back to his days as OC for the Saints under Haslett....he brought Aaron Brooks over from the Packers, who was buried at #3 on the depth chart behind Favre and Hasselbeck(?), and started to develop him. But before we saw any of that, McCarthy had polished up Jeff Blake (Bengals cast off), who was playing the best football of his career before injury took him down. Brooks stepped into the starting role and actually played BETTER than Blake...the future was bright at QB. Until Brooks' inconsistencies started to show. And Delhomme was developing nicely behind him, but left in FA for the Panthers starting gig because it was obvious to all that he wasn't going to get a fair chance at the starting job under the Haslett regime. Delhomme took the Panthers to the SB his first season. McCarthy's fingerprints are on that, IMO. McCarthy goes to Green Bay and works with Brett Favre. But while Favre still has juice, the organization has the foresight to draft Aaron Rogers. McCarthy ends up in Dallas, where Dak seems to be maxed out, but he's got Cooper Rush's QB game elevated (I'm not talking All-Pro starting caliber QB....I'm impressed he's coaxed enough out of a 2nd-3rd string option to win games and keep the season from tanking). I can't give McCarthy credit for Favre or Prescott, but absolutely for Blake, Brooks, Delhomme, and Rogers. QB guru...

Point of all this observation....even though McCarthy doesn't thrill me, and he's not my 1st choice (yet?), maybe he SHOULD be? The Saints have many things to fix, but perhaps the biggest obstacle is the QB dilemma. Saints can fix everything BUT the QB dilemma, and I think the ceiling is a purgatory of repeated seasons of middling 7-10 to 10-7 records. (side note: Derek Carr has a career 0.455 winning percentage, which extrapolates to a 7-10 or 8-9 seasonal average depending on whether you round up or down because you can't win 1/2 a game; he was 5-5 for the Saints this season. anyone wanna predict his record as starting QB next season?) OR Saints can find QB solution and fix some of the issues, and I think the ceiling is higher with the potential to break through as a contender. But we need a QB guru to solve that, otherwise we're just relying on LUCK. Of all the coaches available right now, McCarthy looks like the most viable, with a PROVEN history of QB development. If McCarthy isn't the pick, I hope we get the guy who is absolutely the young version of Payton/Reid/O'Connell/McCarthy/Gruden....but just hasn't done it yet because he hasn't had the opportunity. Whomever that guy is....here's your opportunity...show us what you can do!

 

[jasonsw]

The NFC Championship game last year was Brock Purdy vs. Jared Goff. Not exactly a matchup of great QBs.

Yeah Brock has dudded out

 

[No2DC]

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I don't need to do a Google search if I've seen a guy play. Allen is the reason Daboll got the Giants' job. Allen's first year was rocky, but after that continued to get better.