I'd Feel Better about the Saints if... (8 Viewers)

[Elvis]

I get that. I think more changes are coming but there's many changes that just couldn't happen this year. Also, let's see how much of the roster issues was inadequate coaching. I think Allen wasted a talented roster 2 years ago and made questionable decisions to the roster as well. The roster is better than what Allen showed it to be.

I'm not convinced the roster is better than DA got out of it really. I think he was given the authority to make bad choices and many of those bad choices remain. Some of them have even been brought back after DA was fired. And that is my biggest problem with Loomis is that he has no self reflection on any of that. He thinks our drafts have been good, he thinks DA is a great football coach and shouldn't have been fired, and he thinks running it back as much as Gayle and finances will allow will prove him right.

And I don't say any of that out of anger or hate. It's just what he's showing us with the moves he makes and his occasional media availability. He was once the perfect fit for Payton's Saints, but he's shown to be a bad fit for the post-Payton era of Saints football. But I am at peace knowing that as the oldest GM in the NFL, that isn't also an owner, his time with the team is close to the end.

 

[dtc]

15 years of "phenomenal" success is a little generous. There was one year that was phenomenal, which was before the cap strategy took root. In fairness there were a few years of above average success that were thwarted only by a no-call, a bad defensive coaching call and a bad play by a safety. I mean one could argue that the Loomis strategy held the team back more than it delivered other than those few years, especially given we had one of the greatest quarterbacks to play the game in his prime. But for the most part, it was great fun to watch and to be a fan at that time. Not to whine or complain, its just a fact which is obvious, admittedly in hindsight, that Loomis clung to the strategy 2-3 years too long and really whiffed on too many player personnel and contract decisions.

nobody with any sense can argue coherently that 15 years where the Saints won more games than any other franchise was anything less than success and Loomis's strategy was paramount in getting those shots to lose due to bad calls.

And your tune would not be the same had that strategy resulted in a superbowl in one or two of those final years.

 

[dtc]

To not expect whining, confusion, or concerns regarding our team is shocking. This IS a fan forum. Not every post you will agree with or like and you don’t have to bc that’s your prerogative. Personally, I welcome all opinions, even if I don’t agree with them. If the state of our team is lacking, then tell me how you really feel. It’s healthy if it’s within the forum’s guidelines

The state of our team is that we all knew with the retirement of Brees that thins would no longer be the same. We could not expect a magical continuance of 5000 yard passing seasons and anyone with half a freaking brain knew that the win now strategy would come with bumps. If I'm not mistaken you, me and 100s of others here predicted it and we were correct.

Frankly, I'd rather have been bounced by the stupidity of the bad calls than have gone 3 and 13 in 20.

My opinion is that we were numerous injuries away last year from competing, but the rug got pulled and DA was simply not the coach to guide us through that nightmare.

I'll also posit that last year we had a 10 win minimum team without as many injuries and DA's choice of D staff couldn't deliver what he, himself, was consistently able to do. Blame the old cap strategy for a lack of playmakers if you want, but we made plays. When the D was solid, the O was handing out 3 and outs behind a depleted line and a rookie or never will be was playing QB with AK, 7, out. There was no OL due to injury and we lost both of our WRs and were forced to play with street free agents. Carr was hurt bad enough to not play and while he may be an animatron as a human, he's also tough and competent enough that given .7 seconds and someone to catch, he can win.

And, of course, despite every freaking person on this forum who complains about Loomis Loomising, here we are with free agents, signings and room as we look towards 26.

Color me as one of those old guys who has seen pitiful Saints football and one who thinks a few bounces makes all the difference in the world when playing a game designed and run to produce close outcomes and parity.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

And, of course, despite every freaking person on this forum who complains about Loomis Loomising, here we are with free agents, signings and room as we look towards 26.

This is part of the problem. Loomis overspends during FA because his drafts have been so poor.

We should not be spenders every single FA just to end up with 7-8 wins.

 

[dtc]

This is part of the problem. Loomis overspends during FA because his drafts have been so poor.

We should not be spenders every single FA just to end up with 7-8 wins.

We've had drafts rated as the best ever in the last 10 years and we've also swung and missed. We've never been "overspenders" in FA because we've never had big loose money.

WE've had 7 to 8 wins 3 years since Brees retired and we've had cap issues, injuries and a coaching change.

Do you expect Loomis to be a magician and simply win despite the facts?

Once again, a Saints fan blaming the guy who won more than anyoen for 16 17 years for not winning after the loss of a 1st ballot HOF QB and Coach.

Instead of blaming Loomis, perhaps we should thanks Mrs. Benson for having an open check book and doing whatever the football guys think needs to be done.

It's not some exact science and there are a billion variables. Nobody wins every year. Look at the Saints and Patriots who dominated from 05 to 20 and compare to Dallas who hasn't won crap in 30 years.

 

[SweetT]

The state of our team is that we all knew with the retirement of Brees that thins would no longer be the same. We could not expect a magical continuance of 5000 yard passing seasons and anyone with half a freaking brain knew that the win now strategy would come with bumps. If I'm not mistaken you, me and 100s of others here predicted it and we were correct.

Frankly, I'd rather have been bounced by the stupidity of the bad calls than have gone 3 and 13 in 20.

My opinion is that we were numerous injuries away last year from competing, but the rug got pulled and DA was simply not the coach to guide us through that nightmare.

I'll also posit that last year we had a 10 win minimum team without as many injuries and DA's choice of D staff couldn't deliver what he, himself, was consistently able to do. Blame the old cap strategy for a lack of playmakers if you want, but we made plays. When the D was solid, the O was handing out 3 and outs behind a depleted line and a rookie or never will be was playing QB with AK, 7, out. There was no OL due to injury and we lost both of our WRs and were forced to play with street free agents. Carr was hurt bad enough to not play and while he may be an animatron as a human, he's also tough and competent enough that given .7 seconds and someone to catch, he can win.

And, of course, despite every freaking person on this forum who complains about Loomis Loomising, here we are with free agents, signings and room as we look towards 26.

Color me as one of those old guys who has seen pitiful Saints football and one who thinks a few bounces makes all the difference in the world when playing a game designed and run to produce close outcomes and parity.

Yes we all knew what we were to expect. I know I never took the Drew Brees era for granted. I have openly said that I can die a happy Saints fan bc I got to see my team win at least 1 championship. However, i believe many of us are well within our rights to feel less than happy with how the direction has gone. Let’s be honest, we have wasted golden opportunities to win the weak division. I’ve been on record a zillion times defending ML. I still have not ever posted the words “fire Mickey Loomis”….. I am highly disappointed that he failed to see that his successor HC was literally killing the team from the inside out. No one sitting on a couch should have to see that and admit that before he did, or didn’t bc Gayle made the call. Things don’t have to be this way and a good vent about it isn’t bad. Change doesn’t happen if everyone pretends that everything is ok and peachy.

 

[Elvis]

We've had drafts rated as the best ever in the last 10 years and we've also swung and missed. We've never been "overspenders" in FA because we've never had big loose money.

WE've had 7 to 8 wins 3 years since Brees retired and we've had cap issues, injuries and a coaching change.

Do you expect Loomis to be a magician and simply win despite the facts?

Once again, a Saints fan blaming the guy who won more than anyoen for 16 17 years for not winning after the loss of a 1st ballot HOF QB and Coach.

Instead of blaming Loomis, perhaps we should thanks Mrs. Benson for having an open check book and doing whatever the football guys think needs to be done.

It's not some exact science and there are a billion variables. Nobody wins every year. Look at the Saints and Patriots who dominated from 05 to 20 and compare to Dallas who hasn't won crap in 30 years.

Stop with the Brees nonsense. He retired at the end of the 2020 season. It wasn't just an instant dropoff once Brees retired. Payton won 9 GAMES during the covid year with Jameis Winston, Trevor Siemian, Taysom Hill and Ian Freaking Book starting games. It is 2025 now and the team has gotten progressively worse. There has been ample time to get things in order since Brees retired and it's Loomis' responsibility as the top football guy in the building to not let it slide into such disrepair.