Is Head Coaching a full-time job? (15 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Every great HC had to start somewhere.

LOL C'mon man. Start yes, but why would you hire a guy that has never been in charge of an offense or defense or even a position at a high level????
I like Rizzi but he has only been in charge of the least important part of a football team at a high level. We don't know if he can develop players , oversee a game plan.

 

[DSnfla]

I think HC is motivator and leader first, Oversight on tempo and rythym of the game. Go back and look at some of the most successful coaches . They keep their teams focused and motivated, they never take the foot off the pedal and they go for the jugular in the game and they hold coaches and players accountable and maintain a high standard for the team.

I think these are far more impoortant than X's and O's There are plenty of willing X's and O's out there not enough leaders my 2 cents

Motivation and leading is only a part of it. You might be able to get by with that in college but not in the NFL. In today's NFL you have to be a great X's and O's guy at least on 1 side of the ball. ALL of the great ones and even the good ones are . Payton was great at both. Reid is a great X's and O's guy and not so great a motivator,Shanny the same. Can you name a great HC that is mainly a motivator. Please don't say Campbell because I've well documented just why he is successful

 

[jahsoul357]

LOL C'mon man. Start yes, but why would you hire a guy that has never been in charge of an offense or defense or even a position at a high level????
I like Rizzi but he has only been in charge of the least important part of a football team at a high level. We don't know if he can develop players , oversee a game plan.

Special teams is essential but I digress. John Harbaugh spent the vast majority of his career as a special teams coordinator before becoming a head coach, and neither Dan Campbell or Andy Reid were coordinator before becoming head coaches. He has been assistant HC at multiple stops and I think that he will knock it out the park if given the opportunity.

Honestly, I believe those type of coaches (who hasn't been either an offensive or defensive coordinator) work because they will look for the best people on both sides of the ball and it will allow them to operate efficiently. The Lions have the best offense and defense in the NFL and Dan built that culture the right way. I think Riz can do the same.

 

[jahsoul357]

Can you name a great HC that is mainly a motivator. Please don't say Campbell because I've well documented just why he is successful

Super Bowl winning head coach John Harbaugh. Super Bowl winning head coach Mike Tomlin (Master Motivator). Jim Harbaugh.

Combined Record : 22-9

 

[DSnfla]

Super Bowl winning head coach John Harbaugh. Super Bowl winning head coach Mike Tomlin (Master Motivator). Jim Harbaugh.

Combined Record : 22-9

They are not just motivators they are X's and O's guys as well all of them were position coaches for quite a few yrs BEFORE they were HCs.
My point is that successful HC are not just motivators they are good at X's and O's and not JUST ST's

 

[DSnfla]

Special teams is essential but I digress. John Harbaugh spent the vast majority of his career as a special teams coordinator before becoming a head coach, and neither Dan Campbell or Andy Reid were coordinator before becoming head coaches. He has been assistant HC at multiple stops and I think that he will knock it out the park if given the opportunity.

Honestly, I believe those type of coaches (who hasn't been either an offensive or defensive coordinator) work because they will look for the best people on both sides of the ball and it will allow them to operate efficiently. The Lions have the best offense and defense in the NFL and Dan built that culture the right way. I think Riz can do the same.

Obviously you have not read my posts on Campbell, he has the best tandem of OC and DC in the league. The Lions have had 19 top 100 picks over the last 5 yrs including a #2 #3 and a #7. They also have one of the, if not the best GM and scouting dept in the league. Dan didn't build the culture Brad Holmes did. Heck Dan didn't even hire Johnson he was there when he got there. And it was only when Campbell took over play calling and failed did he promote Johnson to OC .

Reid had been an OL coach a TE coach a QB/ Ast HC before the Eagles

The whole point of what I've been saying is while I like Rizzi he has NO coaching experience on offense or defense in the NFL or even a D1 school not as an OC , DC or even a position coach. While he may be a good to very good motivator that will only get you so far in the NFL
You have to have a guy that can motivate AND know his X's and O's VERY well

 

[Lazarus]

Motivation and leading is only a part of it. You might be able to get by with that in college but not in the NFL. In today's NFL you have to be a great X's and O's guy at least on 1 side of the ball. ALL of the great ones and even the good ones are . Payton was great at both. Reid is a great X's and O's guy and not so great a motivator,Shanny the same. Can you name a great HC that is mainly a motivator. Please don't say Campbell because I've well documented just why he is successfu

Motivation and leading is only a part of it. You might be able to get by with that in college but not in the NFL. In today's NFL you have to be a great X's and O's guy at least on 1 side of the ball. ALL of the great ones and even the good ones are . Payton was great at both. Reid is a great X's and O's guy and not so great a motivator,Shanny the same. Can you name a great HC that is mainly a motivator. Please don't say Campbell because I've well documented just why he is successful

Bill cowher Bill Pacells John Madden Chuck Noll

Payton and Belichik Happen to be both Both but I wouldn’t say Payton belongs in this crowd yet He gets to cute and too caught up in Xs and Os. . I’m not talking about the college rah rah boys I’m talking about leaders of men. They are pretty rare maybe 3 % of the population. You can do the math not that many in coaching. The Xs and O’s boys rely more on intelligence than leadership, they think they are better but they are not.

 

[SuperSaint]

LOL C'mon man. Start yes, but why would you hire a guy that has never been in charge of an offense or defense or even a position at a high level????
I like Rizzi but he has only been in charge of the least important part of a football team at a high level. We don't know if he can develop players , oversee a game plan.

You're right, he doesn't have a lot of skins on the wall, but he is 2-0. If we beat the Rams, I think his resume will get a good bump.

 

[St. Geezy]

A NFL special teams coach only knows special teams and has no knowledge of any other part of the game of football whatsoever nor how to hire the right people, and manage and motivate them in general, unless of course they coached someone's tight ends unit or their RB group for a little while that one time. These ST buffoons can't even quickly learn such things either, including how to be a position group coach which apparently is the ultimate resume-clinching qualifier for what makes a good HC candidate.

We learn something new everyday here on good ol' SR.

 

[St. Geezy]

Obviously you have not read my posts on Campbell, he has the best tandem of OC and DC in the league. The Lions have had 19 top 100 picks over the last 5 yrs including a #2 #3 and a #7. They also have one of the, if not the best GM and scouting dept in the league. Dan didn't build the culture Brad Holmes did. Heck Dan didn't even hire Johnson he was there when he got there. And it was only when Campbell took over play calling and failed did he promote Johnson to OC .

Reid had been an OL coach a TE coach a QB/ Ast HC before the Eagles

The whole point of what I've been saying is while I like Rizzi he has NO coaching experience on offense or defense in the NFL or even a D1 school not as an OC , DC or even a position coach. While he may be a good to very good motivator that will only get you so far in the NFL
You have to have a guy that can motivate AND know his X's and O's VERY well

You don't think ST coaches are teaching guys how to catch, run, block, how to hold the ball, etc. or aren't drawing up play designs to get guys free to advance the ball, coming up with strategies to stop the opposition, etc.?

IT'S BALL! He's a BALL COACH, no less than any of the position group coaches.

These guys are all ball-coaches and are constantly learning. If anything, I'd say the ST coach may even have a leg up in certain aspects, because he's the only coach dealing with personnel from both the offense and defense at all times when implementing his strategies and teaching various elements from across the board from all of the position groups.

 

[jahsoul357]

They are not just motivators they are X's and O's guys as well all of them were position coaches for quite a few yrs BEFORE they were HCs.
My point is that successful HC are not just motivators they are good at X's and O's and not JUST ST's

John Harbaugh was just primary a special teams coach

Obviously you have not read my posts on Campbell, he has the best tandem of OC and DC in the league. The Lions have had 19 top 100 picks over the last 5 yrs including a #2 #3 and a #7. They also have one of the, if not the best GM and scouting dept in the league. Dan didn't build the culture Brad Holmes did. Heck Dan didn't even hire Johnson he was there when he got there. And it was only when Campbell took over play calling and failed did he promote Johnson to OC .

Reid had been an OL coach a TE coach a QB/ Ast HC before the Eagles

The whole point of what I've been saying is while I like Rizzi he has NO coaching experience on offense or defense in the NFL or even a D1 school not as an OC , DC or even a position coach. While he may be a good to very good motivator that will only get you so far in the NFL
You have to have a guy that can motivate AND know his X's and O's VERY well

Riz has been the head coach of 2 college programs and has been an Assistant HC at two locations. But believing that you have to be either a DC/OC/Position coach to be a good coach is a horrible view, brother. The best coaches are the ones that know how to get and keep the best people around them while developing their players. And to crap on special teams when it could be said that the greatest coach in NFL history might love special teams more than defense...haha.



Quiet as kept, Riz's resume is legit

 

[jahsoul357]

You don't think ST coaches are teaching guys how to catch, run, block, how to hold the ball, etc. or aren't drawing up play designs to get guys free to advance the ball, coming up with strategies to stop the opposition, etc.?

IT'S BALL! He's a BALL COACH, no less than any of the position group coaches.

These guys are all ball-coaches and are constantly learning. If anything, I'd say the ST coach may even have a leg up in certain aspects, because he's the only coach dealing with personnel from both the offense and defense at all times when implementing his strategies and teaching various elements from across the board from all of the position groups.

Plus he is a freaking Assistant Coach and has been at another team at the professional level. I'm lost on trying to dismiss a coach because he is the Special Teams coordinator. We won Sunday due in part to the Browns special teams being trash...lol. Those 2 missed FGs and our long return is what changed the tide of that game.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Bill cowher Bill Pacells John Madden Chuck Noll

Payton and Belichik Happen to be both Both but I wouldn’t say Payton belongs in this crowd yet He gets to cute and too caught up in Xs and Os. . I’m not talking about the college rah rah boys I’m talking about leaders of men. They are pretty rare maybe 3 % of the population. You can do the math not that many in coaching. The Xs and O’s boys rely more on intelligence than leadership, they think they are better but they are not.

Madden is the ultimate example. What about Pete Carroll?

 

[texasjefe]

What works against Rizzi is that if the fans like him, then Mickey will likely not hire him, because Mickey dismisses the fans and takes their criticism personally. I can see Mickey chewing and thinking...

The fans made it clear they do not like continuity.

What works for Rizzi is if Gayle likes him. Gayle listens to the players and the fans.

I was worried since offseason that the Saints would herpa derpa and lose Kubiak. Don't lose Kubiak.

Good thing is that there are still 6 games to go to see what if anything sorts out.

 

[jahsoul357]

Madden is the ultimate example. What about Pete Carroll?

I brought up Pete Carroll in my earlier post and then removed it to just show active coaches. He was a top tier motivator until he began to coddle..