Kurt Warner: Did Rattler even have a chance against the Chargers? (16 Viewers)

[jahsoul357]

I know a lot of us are leaning this way but this is more of an indictment of what we are doing offensively than Rattler. While I think both him and Haener needs time to develop into what they can be, I don't believe neither is being set up for success.

 

[BBarnes]

I know a lot of us are leaning this way but this is more of an indictment of what we are doing offensively than Rattler. While I think both him and Haener needs time to develop into what they can be, I don't believe neither is being set up for success.

Over the last few years, this organization rarely puts its players in the best position for success. It rarely develops a player either. Very few players come here and get better, particularly over the last 3 years.

 

[CaliforniaSaintsFan825]

I whole heartedly agree that they haven't been setup for success. I also didn't feel like we were calling plays for Rattler so much as trying to use him as a game manager. The whole scheme they had for him with the mobility aspect earlier needed to be explored more but this last game felt like it was reduced to simplify things for him potentially. He spent a lot more time dropping back it felt like and when the pocket would start to collapse he was stepping up into sacks. I was expecting a lot more play action boot leg and slides outside the pocket that we got against the chargers.

 

[SaintsMan209]

Klint Kubiak is his father's last name. He doesn't have the chops or expertise. We've seen what he's about. Sean Payton would never have let it slide this bad and did a lot more with the trevor simenans of the world.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Over the last few years, this organization rarely puts its players in the best position for success. It rarely develops a player either. Very few players come here and get better, particularly over the last 3 years.

Saints rarely developing players and getting them better the last 3 years isn’t accurate. Granderson, Shaheed, Taylor, and Penning have taken huge leaps throughout their careers since their first seasons. Granderson and Shaheed are former small school UDFAs who became top players at their position since 2022. Penning finally looks like a high drafted starting OT. Taylor can start at any CB spot at a high level. There’s a few other examples since 2022.

For any instance of a player not developed properly like Zack Baun, there’s others who are. Some players aren’t the right fits for the scheme. There’s other players who just aren’t talented like we believe they are.

When it comes to Rattler, what the offensive staff is doing in practice isn’t translating in games. They’re constantly going away from the plays that are Rattler’s strengths in playaction and rollouts. Not enough quick throws are called for him. I also don’t think they’re simulating blitzes and heavy interior pressure for Rattler in practice enough to prepare Rattler for what opposing defenses are actually doing in games against the Saints’ vulnerable interior OL.

 

[SWJJ]

Y'all trippin'

Rattler is NOT an accurate passer. That's why he got benched.

Lots of off target and difficult to catch throws.


I LOVE his mobility and moxie, but Rattler's ineffectiveness has been because he is inaccurate.

 

[Elvis]

Kurt Warner is a wise man. Rattler had no chance. He didn't elevate the guys around him, but I'm not sure who could really.

 

[St. Widge]

I know a lot of us are leaning this way but this is more of an indictment of what we are doing offensively than Rattler. While I think both him and Haener needs time to develop into what they can be, I don't believe neither is being set up for success.

I mean Warner had success in the Martz system which was vastly different than the Shanhan/Kubiak system. A major part of that is the QB has much less control and much less ability to change things up than in the Martz system. So, it's not surprising at all that Warner doesn't like it.

But I do think that the play calling for Rattler in the Chargers game was overly conservative and they didn't really set him up for success. The play calling for Haener dramatically changed and opened up. But maybe that's because Rattler wasn't ready for that stuff?

But, if Rattler wasn't ready for that stuff then why did they start him over Haener?

 

[Noble Saint]

Kurt knows his stuff, for sure. I haven’t seen as much of Rattler as I would like, but I think he will be fine in the long run. Biggest thing I’ve noticed is he seems to avoid the rush in the long direction far too often.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

I mean Warner had success in the Martz system which was vastly different than the Shanhan/Kubiak system. A major part of that is the QB has much less control and much less ability to change things up than in the Martz system. So, it's not surprising at all that Warner doesn't like it.

But I do think that the play calling for Rattler in the Chargers game was overly conservative and they didn't really set him up for success. The play calling for Haener dramatically changed and opened up. But maybe that's because Rattler wasn't ready for that stuff?

But, if Rattler wasn't ready for that stuff then why did they start him over Haener?

Apparently they’re seeing something in Rattler in practice a lot more than Haener, which makes them think that Rattler is the significantly better option to start for consecutive games. But what they’re seeing in Rattler in practice is falling apart in games. Rattler isn’t being properly prepared for pressure. Or real opposing defensive looks has Rattler falling apart in progressions. He looks like he’s overthinking throws which causes him to hold onto to the ball too long and take sacks.

 

[St. Widge]

Kurt knows his stuff, for sure. I haven’t seen as much of Rattler as I would like, but I think he will be fine in the long run. Biggest thing I’ve noticed is he seems to avoid the rush in the long direction far too often.

In the second half of the first game it looked like he started pressing and like the game was moving too fast for him. It was probably all the blitzes that did it, but he never seemed to slow down after that. He seemed to be rushing his reads, not getting the ball out on time, and moving before he had to. He was also throwing rockets everywhere on the field. That's to be expected for a rookie but it's probably best that he sit and have an opportunity figure out what went wrong and adjust. Maybe then the game will slow down for him.

 

[cwesleyc]

Our line is still historically bad. McCoy being gone obviously had an overwhelming impact on the line calls and plan generally. I don't know that any QB would be effective with so little time. Having said that, I don't think Spencer is ready to be a starter in the league.

 

[SystemShock]

Season isn’t going as it should, but Saints rarely developing players and getting them better the last 3 years isn’t accurate. Granderson, Shaheed, Taylor, and Penning have taken huge leaps throughout their careers since their first seasons. Granderson and Shaheed are former small school UDFAs who became top players at their position since 2022. Penning finally looks like a high drafted starting OT. Taylor can start at any CB spot at a high level. There’s a few other examples since 2022.

For any instance of a player not developed properly like Zack Baun, there’s others who are. Some players aren’t the right fits for the scheme. There’s other players who just aren’t talented like we believe they are.

When it comes to Rattler, what the offensive staff is doing in practice isn’t translating in games. They’re constantly going away from the plays that are Rattler’s strengths in playaction and rollouts. Not enough quick throws are called for him. I also don’t think they’re simulating blitzes and heavy interior pressure for Rattler in practice enough to prepare Rattler for what opposing defenses are actually doing in games against the Saints’ vulnerable interior OL.

Shaheed has something that can't be developed, speed; I don't know that Shaheed is a crisp route runner, or uses his body in traffic... I know he fast, but that's it.

 

[St. Widge]

Shaheed has something that can't be developed, speed; I don't know that Shaheed is a crisp route runner, or uses his body in traffic... I know he fast, but that's it.

Shaheed may be the best deep route runner in the league outside of Tyreek Hill. He has a perfect sense of how to set up the DB and then make the deep move to be wide open.

 

[SystemShock]

Shaheed may be the best deep route runner in the league outside of Tyreek Hill. He has a perfect sense of how to set up the DB and then make the deep move to be wide open.

"Go fast that way as deep as you can" isn't exactly a "route".
Juking a DB doesn't take that much either when you got that speed and you are that twitchy.