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[DSnfla]

A few years ago they changed the rules where you can’t block an assistant from interviewing for coordinator positions.

To answer the OP’s post, I’m leaning Robinson right now. I watched some film this morning of Waldron’s offense that wasn’t a YouTube highlight reel, and it wasn’t as impressive as some of the things I’ve seen from McVay’s offense. It looked like they were struggling as much as we did at times. Then I looked up their offensive DVOA splits and they were 22nd on third down and 30th in the red zone. No thanks.

I also find it interesting that Waldron doesn’t seem to be drawing any head coaching interest after three years in an OC role where he was being pumped up as the next great coach. In a league that’s hungry for up and coming offensive minds, that’s concerning.

Waldron was mentioned for HC positions last yr. but you now if the record is not so great the offers go down. Watch the Dallas game this past yr he called a great game even Aikman said so several times
What makes you think Robinson is better? Never been a play-caller. AND why did McVay pass on promoting him to OC when he needed a new one ?

 

[DSnfla]

Underhill and Triplett mentioned the other day that the Saints' OC job is more attractive than some think because with the large number of former OCs that are HCs now New Orleans is one of the few places you can go and take total control over the offensive side of the ball. If a young offensive coach has the goal of being a future HC, being an OC for a defensive HC is a good position to be in. Otherwise you end up like Eric Bieniemy where people think all the credit goes to the HC, Andy Reid, instead of the OC. It's why Bieniemy had to move on or would likely never get a HC job.

Of course, this doesn't mean they will get a current OC since the good current OCs are looking for HC jobs, but it does mean that the Saints OC job is attractive to young up and coming position coaches looking to move up to an OC job and position themselves for a HC job down the line.

That's pretty much what Ross Jackson said and both are right.
And I think Bieniemy proved all those people right, he was not impressive this yr calling plays

 

[DSnfla]

I kinda like Pitcher the best. I like that he has a very robust history which indicates he will succeed in various levels.

Only 1 coaching job with 1 team is robust?

 

[TenTwo]

Only 1 coaching job with 1 team is robust?

A scout turned coach.

 

[Rouxble]

Waldron was mentioned for HC positions last yr. but you now if the record is not so great the offers go down. Watch the Dallas game this past yr he called a great game even Aikman said so several times
What makes you think Robinson is better? Never been a play-caller. AND why did McVay pass on promoting him to OC when he needed a new one ?

Thursday night games are usually light on gameplanning because of the limited time for any complex installations. It doesn’t mean he can’t call a good game on a Thursday, but when he did have time to plan his offense didn’t much against a lot of opponents. They had ten games where they scored 21 or less versus seven for the Saints.

I like Robinson because of his work with Stafford, and also because of the time he spent with McVay this offseason reinventing the Rams offense. @RJS posted this good article in another thread about McVay bringing in offensive coaches from a variety of backgrounds to get the best ideas from each scheme. It’s also likely part of the reason why Robinson didn’t get promoted, McVay felt some things in his scheme were getting stale and wanted to inject some new ideas. All of the knowledge gained from that process plus the knowledge gained from working with McVay can be brought over here if we hire Robinson.

Sean McVay’s Ram staff evolving offense to stay ahead - Sports Illustrated

The Los Angeles coach enters 2023 with a revamped offense and coaching staff, deviating from the tried-and-true hiring system so often seen in the NFL.

www.si.com

 

[Analyze This]

Waldron and Zac are hot names. Both have multiple interviews requests.

 

[Lazarus]

Have these interviews been blocked by their team or what ?
I haven't seen any news about that

Only Waldron can be blocked for him it wou9ld be a lateral move for the rest it would be a promotion and I don't believe tehy can be blocked

 

[DSnfla]

Only Waldron can be blocked for him it wou9ld be a lateral move for the rest it would be a promotion and I don't believe tehy can be blocked

Waldron is not being blocked because Carroll is gone but even so all we'd have to do is slap an Ast HC title on the position and they could not block him

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

 

[Cajun Mike]

A real what the hell would be having a formation with AK, Taysom and Shaheed in the backfield during short yardage. 3 screen options, pitch, up the gut, end around, you'd have to prepare for so much at once and pete never really experimented with that.

Pete didn’t scheme with all that talent, you couldn’t overload and cause problems!

 

[saint_drago]

A real what the hell would be having a formation with AK, Taysom and Shaheed in the backfield during short yardage. 3 screen options, pitch, up the gut, end around, you'd have to prepare for so much at once and pete never really experimented with that.

Yeah I think Pete's biggest weakness was imagination. He knew SP's system and he knew it would work if executed properly. Outside of that he wasn't comfortable getting too creative. You can't help but wonder what some of these new school OCs would do with weapons like this, especially Taysom.

I just want to see these guys used with the modern motion we see all over the league.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Thursday night games are usually light on gameplanning because of the limited time for any complex installations. It doesn’t mean he can’t call a good game on a Thursday, but when he did have time to plan his offense didn’t much against a lot of opponents. They had ten games where they scored 21 or less versus seven for the Saints.

I like Robinson because of his work with Stafford, and also because of the time he spent with McVay this offseason reinventing the Rams offense. @RJS posted this good article in another thread about McVay bringing in offensive coaches from a variety of backgrounds to get the best ideas from each scheme. It’s also likely part of the reason why Robinson didn’t get promoted, McVay felt some things in his scheme were getting stale and wanted to inject some new ideas. All of the knowledge gained from that process plus the knowledge gained from working with McVay can be brought over here if we hire Robinson.

Sean McVay’s Ram staff evolving offense to stay ahead - Sports Illustrated

The Los Angeles coach enters 2023 with a revamped offense and coaching staff, deviating from the tried-and-true hiring system so often seen in the NFL.

www.si.com

Robinson, especially if you want to keep some form of your offense in place like terminology but build on it by tweaking concepts.

 

[RaginSaint93]

Ugh Dennis conducting the interviews?

 

[44slayer]

Ive been back and forth about a plus level OC wanting to come here, but I think theres an opportunity for them to boost themselves up the HC candidate ladder pretty quickly.

If you win, and run a good offense, youll be credited more than most teams for the wins. Youd be coaching under a proven loser, who has never been to a playoff game, is .343 overall and is 3-11 against playoff teams here. You can go from OC to HC in 1 year if you cant make Dennis Allen a winner.

If the teams loses, and your offense does well, the losses will be put on the proven loser. Youll either be made the HC of this team the following year, or you wont carry any egg of your face because Allen will take all of it.

I just cant see it being Gruden. Gruden has won a SB. He wont coach under someone as bad as Allen. Secondly, it will take 5 minutes of the first preseason game for fans to want Gruden to be made HC.

An OC candidate might be able to see the silver lining as I mentioned above. But I think its a tough sell for any up and coming OC to take a job under Dennis Allen.

 

[Saint Greg]

Ugh Dennis conducting the interviews?

Typically the head coach hires his staff.