Question Mickey Loomis’ GM duties (6 Viewers)

[CajunSaint08]

Mickey Loomis has gotten a bad wrap lately because of our cap situation. Maybe rightfully so, but on the other hand, maybe not. All he has done is tried to help build and contend a super bowl winning team. When Payton was hired and brought the Saints to the promise land, Loomis could do no wrong.
He has help bring in good players and not so good players. But most if not all those signings were at the request of the coach at the time, Payton.
Dennis Allen was not a good choice, but they didn't wait until the end of the year to let him go. They did something that had never been done in Saint's history, they fired a coach mid season. WOW!!!

As for Kellen Moore, only time will tell. Either a Dennis Allen or a Sean Payton type hire. I'm hoping on the latter. But Loomis has only tried to bring a winner here, something the fans can be proud of. And for this, I don't believe he should be faulted.

Should he consider bringing in a true football GM and maybe a true basketball GM to work closely with him? Probably so. But ML has done as good a job here as any other NFL franchise. The coaching team they are putting together right now looks great on paper. One thing they all have in common, they are young and hungry for a championship. The same thing Payton was when he was first hired.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Loomis' biggest problem is also his biggest strength: He basically will blindly support the Head Coach.

When you have a Sean Payton, this is the perfect GM. When you have a Dennis Allen, this is the worst GM.

I am hoping, believing that Kellen Moore is the right guy and we'll be back to being a real contender soon.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm sure this will be a very rational and well reasoned debate with nothing but new arguments that nobody has made before.

By the way, Loomis has nothing to do with the Pelicans right now and hasn't since 2019.

 

[donato]

So what's the question?

 

[oodank]

So what's the question?

A veiled 'should the Saints get rid of Loomis' thread...

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Mickey Loomis has gotten a bad wrap lately because of our cap situation. Maybe rightfully so, but on the other hand, maybe not. All he has done is tried to help build and contend a super bowl winning team. When Payton was hired and brought the Saints to the promise land, Loomis could do no wrong.
He has help bring in good players and not so good players. But most if not all those signings were at the request of the coach at the time, Payton.
Dennis Allen was not a good choice, but they didn't wait until the end of the year to let him go. They did something that had never been done in Saint's history, they fired a coach mid season. WOW!!!

As for Kellen Moore, only time will tell. Either a Dennis Allen or a Sean Payton type hire. I'm hoping on the latter. But Loomis has only tried to bring a winner here, something the fans can be proud of. And for this, I don't believe he should be faulted.

Should he consider bringing in a true football GM and maybe a true basketball GM to work closely with him? Probably so. But ML has done as good a job here as any other NFL franchise. The coaching team they are putting together right now looks great on paper. One thing they all have in common, they are young and hungry for a championship. The same thing Payton was when he was first hired.

I think a lot of the bad moves come from the recommendation of the head coach. More specifically, Dennis Allen. If you look at our biggest blunders with the roster, most of them started on defense when DA became DC with the front 7. When he became HC, it got profoundly worse and we watched the offense completely crumble and the awful contract decisions and roster decisions extend to the offense.

It's worth watching to see how things change with Moore. But its clear Loomis doesn't question the HC and gives him what he wants however he can.

 

[Elvis]

I guess we can rehash this topic again, but I'm not sure what the point is. Loomis is here for 2025, he's picked his coach and he's helping assemble a staff. He'll be at the combine in 8 days and he'll conduct the draft with the team he has. The choices he's made in the last few weeks are solid. This is likely his last time picking a head coach and staff regardless. All we can do from this point on is to root for him to make more solid choices going forward to turn the team back into a winner.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

This poor horse.

 

[meily]

Loomis' biggest problem is also his biggest strength: He basically will blindly support the Head Coach.

When you have a Sean Payton, this is the perfect GM. When you have a Dennis Allen, this is the worst GM.

I am hoping, believing that Kellen Moore is the right guy and we'll be back to being a real contender soon.

He just hired the wrong coach, for the right reasons and it backfired, this time he did a thorough search and identified a candidate.

 

[MemphoJoe]

When the team is winning everyone is doing great. When the team is losing everyone needs to be replaced immediately. Whether it's GM, coaches, or players, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. It takes getting the right combination of pieces and nobody really knows they have that until they have it. The Saints came out last season and put up back to back 40+point games while only giving up a total of 29 points. Then 2 close losses, and then the wheels fell off.

I don't think we will ever really know what happened with the 2024 season, outside of injuries. But I do know I have more hope going forward than if we had kept DA and staff. I think ML will need to get creative this off season and get us out of this financial hole. I don't know how to fix it. But it is his very job. Have a plan. Execute the plan.

 

[Saint KayBee]

He’s not a personnel GM guy. He trusts the reports of the personnel guys + the head coach’s wishes, and makes the money work once they all agree on a player to pursue. Loomis has always done that well. Every player hasn’t worked out, but no GM can claim a 100% hit rate or even close to it.

As for the current cap mess, if they’re taking steps to remedy that, it’s going to need to include some level of succeeding on draft picks since their salaries are typically slotted and pre-determined. No overpays, just the possibility of overdrafting, but most often the misses are “so-and-so wasn’t an NFL player at all” instead of “this guy we liked could probably have been had a round later” so hopefully a strong draft allows older players to phase out of the team’s plans because the guys on rookie deals prove capable of playing at a high level.

 

[CajunSaint08]

So what's the question?

I guess the question is why the bad wrap? Everything he has done has been for the betterment of the team. Has it all worked out, no, only one team a year can say it all worked to perfection. The other 31 teams have to back to the drawing board and try again. That's it in a nutshell.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Loomis is in the will. He's unfortunately here as long as he wants.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I guess the question is why the bad wrap? Everything he has done has been for the betterment of the team.

Horrible cap management, bad drafting, decision to hire DA/not fire DA & PC when it was obvious to everyone else they where the problem, oh and letting go of key players like Hendrickson.

A better question would be what has he done to deserve to still have his job?

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

So what's the question?

Yep