Question Mickey Loomis’ GM duties (7 Viewers)

[SWJJ]

We have been so much better under Mickey Loomis than we have with any other GM by a huge margin it's ridiculous. He deserves a do-over and grace from the fan base. Yes, he needs to quit kicking the can, but we all know he did that for Brees and we are having to slowly eat that. Is he perfect? No, but we would be REAL hard pressed to find a replacement for him that's a better GM. I understand wanting him to do things differently, I don't understand why some fans want him fired.

 

[CajunSaint08]

Horrible cap management, bad drafting, decision to hire DA/not fire DA & PC when it was obvious to everyone else they where the problem, oh and letting go of key players like Hendrickson.

A better question would be what has he done to deserve to still have his job?

And with that said, I would imagine 30 other teams' fans are saying the exact same thing about their GM. But it is funny you bring up Hendrickson, because the national news was talking about Cinn. and who are they going to resign and let walk. They have some rather familiar problems with "we only have so much money and who do we spend it on" Hendrickson is someone they would like to keep but will not be able to afford him and Chase and two other names mentioned. So I would imagine this is pretty much the same conversation in every NFL franchise, not only the Saints. Loomis' biggest fault, if any, is trying to accommodate the coaches wishes. He has done a lot more good than bad for the Saints. Yes, I wish they would win the super bowl every year, but then again, that would get old and boring. If we can be in the picture every few years, it makes it that much more exciting. We all want Loomis to make every decision and move count to the fullest, but be honest, who but God can do that?

 

[CajunSaint08]

We have been so much better under Mickey Loomis than we have with any other GM by a huge margin it's ridiculous. He deserves a do-over and grace from the fan base. Yes, he needs to quit kicking the can, but we all know he did that for Brees and we are having to slowly eat that. Is he perfect? No, but we would be REAL hard pressed to find a replacement for him that's a better GM. I understand wanting him to do things differently, I don't understand why some fans want him fired.

Ditto. Well said.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I don't understand why some fans want him fired.

Better question is what has he done to keep his job?

 

[St. Widge]

We have been so much better under Mickey Loomis than we have with any other GM by a huge margin it's ridiculous. He deserves a do-over and grace from the fan base. Yes, he needs to quit kicking the can, but we all know he did that for Brees and we are having to slowly eat that. Is he perfect? No, but we would be REAL hard pressed to find a replacement for him that's a better GM. I understand wanting him to do things differently, I don't understand why some fans want him fired.

I do think Loomis should get a do-over with a new head coach and some grace for his years of good service that is sorely lacking. And, while he has many issues, I think he's a better GM than he gets credit for and is no worse than a mid-level GM. He's not Howie Roseman but he's also not Trent Baalke.

But, I will say that the biggest issue cap wise is that he kept kicking the can after Brees retired and most of it was done to sign a $100 million QB that we couldn't afford in order to try to give a failing coach the QB he wanted. I'm willing to give him a do-over on that too, but that, not so much keeping the window open for Brees, is a major part of our current cap issues. There is some hold over from contracts for older players like Davis and Cam, but we would be in a much better position cap wise without using all the future money he put up in order to be able to do the Carr deal.

 

[fishing4food]

KM is coming from the Eagles, where their GM and scouting department is one of the best in the league. KM will quickly found out just how kicking a can down the road can either hinder or hurt a roster.

 

[St. Widge]

KM is coming from the Eagles, where their GM and scouting department is one of the best in the league. KM will quickly found out just how kicking a can down the road can either hinder or hurt a roster.

Philly actually does some similar things as far as kicking the can. Not to the level that we do it, mostly because they don't do it for older players like we have done with Cam, Demario, AK, and Tyrann. So, Moore may be more comfortable with it than you would like.

I think the huge difference is that Philly drafts better, identifies rising cheapish free agents better, and does better deals in the draft (partly at our expense). That allows them to get away with it because they don't have to kick the can to sign older players because they have good young players to replace them. We didn't have that and as a result we had to do big and expensive deals with older players like Cam, Demario, AK, Tyrann, and Carr. We even had to rebuild the DT position in free agency because we had no good young players to step up.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Better question is what has he done to keep his job?

Twenty-two years in which seven wins was the floor. Did not let the team sink into a defeated resignation after Brees retired, remained competitive if mediocre, even with a coach the fan base quickly grew to hate. If anything, he needs to fix the mess he helped create.

 

[St. Geezy]

Loomis is in the will. He's unfortunately here as long as he wants.

This gets said too much as fact when it’s not. He’s merely a backup executor of the eventual team sale after Mrs. Benson passes.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

We have been so much better under Mickey Loomis than we have with any other GM by a huge margin it's ridiculous. He deserves a do-over and grace from the fan base. Yes, he needs to quit kicking the can, but we all know he did that for Brees and we are having to slowly eat that. Is he perfect? No, but we would be REAL hard pressed to find a replacement for him that's a better GM. I understand wanting him to do things differently, I don't understand why some fans want him fired.

But he shouldn’t get a blind pass either. I agree he deserves another chance but we simply can’t ignore the debacle hire of Dennis Allen as HC going forward. Ever. It was just an obvious blunder made to even consider him as HC and all you had to do was watch the circus that was the Raiders while he was HC to see it. Lo and behold, we became a spitting image of that same circus. Surprise, surprise.

 

[SouthRider]

PS - the Saints have fired their Head Coach mid season at least 2 or 3 times. this was not a first.

 

[No2DC]

Mickey Loomis has gotten a bad wrap lately because of our cap situation. Maybe rightfully so, but on the other hand, maybe not. All he has done is tried to help build and contend a super bowl winning team. When Payton was hired and brought the Saints to the promise land, Loomis could do no wrong.
He has help bring in good players and not so good players. But most if not all those signings were at the request of the coach at the time, Payton.
Dennis Allen was not a good choice, but they didn't wait until the end of the year to let him go. They did something that had never been done in Saint's history, they fired a coach mid season. WOW!!!

As for Kellen Moore, only time will tell. Either a Dennis Allen or a Sean Payton type hire. I'm hoping on the latter. But Loomis has only tried to bring a winner here, something the fans can be proud of. And for this, I don't believe he should be faulted.

Should he consider bringing in a true football GM and maybe a true basketball GM to work closely with him? Probably so. But ML has done as good a job here as any other NFL franchise. The coaching team they are putting together right now looks great on paper. One thing they all have in common, they are young and hungry for a championship. The same thing Payton was when he was first hired.

He's not an elite GM, that should be clear by now. If he was smart he would go and hire the eagles assistant GM but his ego gets in the way.

 

[solarbear88]

Hit the nail on the head. Saints need a football guy in charge. Loomis is an accountant/lawyer who thinks he is a football guy but has never sat in a pro locker.

I have no issue with him being in charge of the business end but it seems like the GM role should be done by someone who understands players.

 

[DSnfla]

PS - the Saints have fired their Head Coach mid season at least 2 or 3 times. this was not a first.

Were you born the last time the Saints fired a HC mid-season??

 

[Saint KayBee]

Hit the nail on the head. Saints need a football guy in charge. Loomis is an accountant/lawyer who thinks he is a football guy but has never sat in a pro locker.

I have no issue with him being in charge of the business end but it seems like the GM role should be done by someone who understands players.

The football/personnel guy in charge is Jeff Ireland. Ireland wouldn’t be the contracts guy if he were the GM, though. There’d still need to be someone from finance, like an EVP/Finance, for that role, which is essentially shuffling deck chairs on the ship because personnel & finance always have to work in tandem with coaching/preparation to acquire talent. Loomis was a finance guy in graduate school and a finance guy with the Seahawks. He never worked at the collegiate level which is why he relies on the staff of collegiate scouts to handle that business, whereas it’s pretty much just him and Khai Harley dealing with the money/negotiation of it.