Question Mickey Loomis’ GM duties (3 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Agreed. You should always do whatever you can to win as many games as possible every year. You just never know when the chemistry is going to just suddenly click.

Most of these teams are the same, and just a chemistry tweak here and there from leveling up.

People are all boohooing here, but what if Rattler, or some random guy we draft in round 6 this year comes in a balls out at QB? We’d certainly regret not doing all we can in the off-season to stack the team up.

If you are a bad team and it happens organically, that’s fine, but you should never knowingly go into an off-season/season not giving full effort to win as many games as possible.

Internally, if you don’t go into a year feeling like you can get hot and win the Super Bowl, you’re in the wrong business.

JMO.

The exception to this is that teams do often start young QB even if there are better QBs out there available to sign or even on the team. They do it to develop a young QB and hope he turns into a franchise QB. As far as if one balls out and you haven't maximized your cap to fill every hole, you are still in a great position because you have your franchise QB and still have the money to build the team around him.

 

[No2DC]

I'm going to steal your last line....exactly what I was trying to communicate.....I don't disagree with the draft angle but I just simply don't believe in losing as a strategy, never will....

I can accept that last point, however our general operating philosophy puts us in a bind. The only way to improve your talent is through the draft and FA. Picking in the mid teens puts you right outside the consensus guys most years. Moreover, our cap management style limits our ability to be aggressive in FA, even though that's not how you build the core of your team. Either we get better at player evaluation and become more aggressive in targeting certain players, or we get this cap under control an try and add more players trough FA.
Mick is too complacent and deferential to the HC at times. Beyond the Mahomes example, Lamar and Jalen were players we could have gotten without giving up a lot. The wait and see approach is just not cutting it and I think we need to seek quicker results from coaches and players. We are no longer a top tier team that's jn thr hjnt every year and that should be the goal. Obviously, with our new HC we'll have to see how things go but I'm not optimistic about the FO strategy historically.

 

[sfidc3]

Obviously, with our new HC we'll have to see how things go but I'm not optimistic about the FO strategy historically.

In 2017, arguable the best draft in our history (of course 2006 would argue a bit) we picked Latt at 11, we have the 9th pick this year.....

And your line above says it all.....just have to see what happens....

 

[St. Geezy]

I can accept that last point, however our general operating philosophy puts us in a bind. The only way to improve your talent is through the draft and FA. Picking in the mid teens puts you right outside the consensus guys most years. Moreover, our cap management style limits our ability to be aggressive in FA, even though that's not how you build the core of your team. Either we get better at player evaluation and become more aggressive in targeting certain players, or we get this cap under control an try and add more players trough FA.
Mick is too complacent and deferential to the HC at times. Beyond the Mahomes example, Lamar and Jalen were players we could have gotten without giving up a lot. The wait and see approach is just not cutting it and I think we need to seek quicker results from coaches and players. We are no longer a top tier team that's jn thr hjnt every year and that should be the goal. Obviously, with our new HC we'll have to see how things go but I'm not optimistic about the FO strategy historically.

Picking in the top 10 is a gift and a curse. Just as many franchise-wrecking busts occur there as HOF picks.

You can build and sustain a good team by picking in the middle of the draft. You see it manifested every year.

The idea that you must get some top 10 franchise changing phenom is nice, but isn’t a necessary component. Heck, we have seen it where teams have even gotten the franchise QB at the top of the draft that was actually more than decent and they still struggled.

The Ravens got their franchise changing phenom at pick 32. The Eagles got their franchise QB in round 2. There is just no magical formula that trumps hard work scouting throughout the draft plus a little bit of simply getting lucky.

 

[blackadder]

Mickey Loomis has gotten a bad wrap lately because of our cap situation. Maybe rightfully so, but on the other hand, maybe not. All he has done is tried to help build and contend a super bowl winning team. When Payton was hired and brought the Saints to the promise land, Loomis could do no wrong.
He has help bring in good players and not so good players. But most if not all those signings were at the request of the coach at the time, Payton.
Dennis Allen was not a good choice, but they didn't wait until the end of the year to let him go. They did something that had never been done in Saint's history, they fired a coach mid season. WOW!!!

As for Kellen Moore, only time will tell. Either a Dennis Allen or a Sean Payton type hire. I'm hoping on the latter. But Loomis has only tried to bring a winner here, something the fans can be proud of. And for this, I don't believe he should be faulted.

Should he consider bringing in a true football GM and maybe a true basketball GM to work closely with him? Probably so. But ML has done as good a job here as any other NFL franchise. The coaching team they are putting together right now looks great on paper. One thing they all have in common, they are young and hungry for a championship. The same thing Payton was when he was first hired.

Seems under the Loomis model, it is all dependent on the quality of the coaching hire and that coach's decisions. That's the thing...

Loomis builds the team the coach wants, almost as if the coach is the football GM.

For Payton that ultimately was mixed. Great with Brees and offensive work. Much less great on the defensive side of the ball, drafting, kicking cap can to win now. There were points where an equal weight was needed to push Payton this way or that to clean up obvious problems with what he was doing with coaching staff etc. on the defensive side of the ball and doesn't seem Loomis does that.

If Kellen Moore turns out to be a great coach with a great plan and great decisions it could turn out fine because Loomis will "make it happen". But if what is needed is a strong GM presence to balance against the coaching staff, then that may be absent again.

 

[sfidc3]

The Ravens got their franchise changing phenom at pick 32. The Eagles got their franchise QB in round 2. There is just no magical formula that trumps hard work scouting throughout the draft plus a little bit of simply getting lucky.

This is a great point, great scouting in many instances > draft position.....