Mock Draft 2.0 w/trades, explanations and a few surprises... (1 Viewer)

[REALCHRISM]

realchrism, weren't you the one saying all along that Dorsey would fall to us at 10?

Not quite. Almost, but not quite. I stated that Dorsey could fall. I also acknowledged that he could be taken high. His proday did a lot to quell concerns about his past injuries. Some might argue that it raised his stock back up and it did to some degree. But more or less, it did more to prevent him from falling too far even if the need is not there for him at the top of the draft. Let me explain it this way. The need for a DT by the teams choosing ahead of us, sans Cincy, is not that profound. Well, Atlanta has the need but they also have far greater needs at QB and LT. They could take Dorsey but they could also pass on him in order to address one of those more glaring needs. Once Dorsey gets past Atlanta, and some might argue Oakland as well, he, along with Sedrick Ellis, could very well fall to #9 and #10, respectively. For the Bengals and the Saints, they cannot be too sure of that any more after Dorsey and Ellis did well at their individual workouts. The problem is that by having a solid proday workout, teams selecting behind us will be salivating if, say, Dorsey, gets down to say pick #7 or #8. So a team like the Broncos who could use a DT might seek to trade up and get Dorsey before he falls to us. So it is not as much of a matter of him not being able to fall to #9 or #10. Moving up to grab him is a preemptive strike against any other team jumping right ahead us to take him at either New England or Baltimore's spot.

He has gone back to #1 on Mel Kiper's board. If he gets beyond Atlanta and Oakland, watch how Mel Kiper begins to point to all the teams making a mistake. Even though logically he and Ellis should fall to our spot since the need is not really there for the Jets, Patriots and Ravens, they would be hardpressed to do so because teams picking behind us will be primed to move up and take them.

 

[guillermo]

Chris, I really disagree with your assestment about Adam Carriker. I see him as a perfect compliment for Leonard Little at defensive end.

To me, the line of Carriker, Glover, Dorsey and Little is stronger than a line of Gholston, Carriker, Glover and Little. The rams had missed several times on bringing a big guy to help them stop the run. It is my beleive that it is the time to end experiments and bring a proven one in Dorsey if they have the choice.

Finally, I think that Loomis think that with the Vilma trade, chances are we are going to loose a second rounder next year (and gain a fourth). I think for that reason they will be reluctant to give up an early draft choice to climb up, not only for Dorsey but for Ellis.

I think we may tend to disagree on this one, but at the end, if we get the players you are suggesting in your draft, I am on board!

Cheers, g.

 

[GridIronKing34]

I can't complain about your first round mock because it could go that way because the NFL Draft is full of surprises. But your Saints mock is unrealistic. Gooden may fall to the 3rd round, but doubtful. I don't see Molden dropping to your 4th round selection (according to your trade). Eddie Royal falling to the 6th round? That won't happen, he's a rising prospect who I project will go in the 3rd round. Your final two selections for the Saints seem realistic though.

 

[saints fools]

n e 1 want 2 trade reggie 4 a btetter rb



i do

 

[saints fools]

n e 1

 

[Danneaux]

n e 1 want 2 trade reggie 4 a btetter rb

i do

y do u type like that?

 

[GermanSaint]

hahahaha ! the chiefs make us a present in the 4th rounder , just because we are the saints .... and they would love to pick a player after huge value drop off on ten

we raped the chiefs FO ..... most trades here are ridicolous. we can behappy if a first round swap , 2nd and 3rd will be enough.

 

[REALCHRISM]

hahahaha ! the chiefs make us a present in the 4th rounder , just because we are the saints .... and they would love to pick a player after huge value drop off on ten

we raped the chiefs FO ..... most trades here are ridicolous. we can behappy if a first round swap , 2nd and 3rd will be enough.

Are you saying the trade is lopsided? It is not. The Chiefs spot is worth 1700 points on the draft trade chart. Our pick is worth 1300. Our second rounder is worth 500. Giving that to them in a trade gives them 1800 points. But then we are short 100. There fourth rounder is roughly 100 points to make up the difference. In fact, the Chiefs' 4th rounder is worth 92 points, so we are still be shorted by 8.

 

[GermanSaint]

Are you saying the trade is lopsided? It is not. The Chiefs spot is worth 1700 points on the draft trade chart. Our pick is worth 1300. Our second rounder is worth 500. Giving that to them in a trade gives them 1800 points. But then we are short 100. There fourth rounder is roughly 100 points to make up the difference. In fact, the Chiefs' 4th rounder is worth 92 points, so we are still be shorted by 8.

you can throw your valuechart away when it comes to trades in the top ten . the chiefs would be stupid if they gave up these amount of valuepoints and a chance for a impact player just whithout gaining at least one pick more. just remember the chargers gagging new york. if this trade happens , we can surely say loomis raped the chiefs. it won´t happen. more of a 2nd 3rd and eventually a 2nd next year.

its a bad deal , just remember : they are in the premium position and the saints want to trade up. so the chiefs say pay (and bleed) for it or we stay and take dorsey .....again : why making presents to us ? we are not in the position to decide or to beg for a fair value.

 

[REALCHRISM]

you can throw your valuechart away when it comes to trades in the top ten . the chiefs would be stupid if they gave up these amount of valuepoints and a chance for a impact player just whithout gaining at least one pick more. just remember the chargers gagging new york. if this trade happens , we can surely say loomis raped the chiefs. it won´t happen. more of a 2nd 3rd and eventually a 2nd next year.

its a bad deal , just remember : they are in the premium position and the saints want to trade up. so the chiefs say pay (and bleed) for it or we stay and take dorsey .....again : why making presents to us ? we are not in the position to decide or to beg for a fair value.

Even though Jonathan Sullivan did not pan out for us, just remember that Loomis also raped Arizona. We got their first and a higher second rounder.

 

[GermanSaint]

Even though Jonathan Sullivan did not pan out for us, just remember that Loomis also raped Arizona. We got their first and a higher second rounder.

but as far as i remember sullivan was a bit of a reach at this moment . and loomis raped no one since the cardinals never seem to take sullivan into consideration. we paniked because we wanted DT bad and robertson ( who is pretty bad also ) picked away a couple of picks before.

now the chiefs sit there and could use everyone of the top 6 players. they risk to lose the chance on real good player just to make presents to the saints ?
in top ten areas is no real "value-fairness" , again : watch what the chargers did to the giants.

that doenst mean , the trade cant happen , i just dont see the chiefs giving us a cookie in form of a second pick.