More data on Staley's departure from the Chargers (90 Viewers)

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Sounds familiar. It's worth a read, hell I'm still reading it but it gives some details into why he failed as a HC. His demeanor seems to be better suited for a coordinator, not the person who's leading the charge and or guiding the ship. W/ that being said that seems to nullify whatever aid he could provide to Kellen. He wasn't as unsuccessful as DA over the course of his HC tenure but seems like things got too hot for him and the front office let him and Telesco go. They weren't very good at drafting during his tenure w/ Chargers either. Sounds like he was in over his head and the expectations were too much along w/ who he was paired with as GM.

STALEY WAS A departure from the typical NFL head coach, according to multiple team sources. He wasn't overly strict about timeliness, didn't lose his temper and was receptive to input from the team's leadership council and assistants.

Players divided and a coach 'too damn smart for his own good': How Brandon Staley lost his team

A divided locker room. Bad bets on players. A look at why the talented Chargers could never quite find their way under Brandon Staley.

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[dpwga]

Some people are better coordinators than head coaches.

 

[St. Widge]

Moore does need to find an enforcer coach, but I don't think it's terrible that Staley isn't an butt crevasse. While he can't be the in your face coach for Moore, he can still help him not make the same mistakes he did. And this part of the quote above that Staley "was receptive to input from the team's leadership council and assistants" doesn't really seem like a bad thing.

 

[meily]

Moore does need to find an enforcer coach, but I don't think it's terrible that Staley isn't an butt crevasse. While he can't be the in your face coach for Moore, he can still help him not make the same mistakes he did. And this part of the quote above that Staley "was receptive to input from the team's leadership council and assistants" doesn't really seem like a bad thing.

That will wear thin fast, these are grown men who respect leadership and a system that works, people have to like coming to work, like any other job.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Moore does need to find an enforcer coach, but I don't think it's terrible that Staley isn't an butt crevasse. While he can't be the in your face coach for Moore, he can still help him not make the same mistakes he did. And this part of the quote above that Staley "was receptive to input from the team's leadership council and assistants" doesn't really seem like a bad thing.

As a optimistic pessimist I'll see your need for enforcer coach and raise you a "What if beneath Kellens "aw shux" demeanor is a demanding personality? We all put on a public mask...somethings tells me there's a complete opposite persona beneath what he gives off as an initial impression and both are true.

For example Payton's demeanor was very much a disciplinarian...but beneath it the players love that he wears Jordan's and seems engrossed in the culure, and he was very much a party animal, we found that out as the years passed. Not to mention the vicodin stuff, which shows an opposite side to the discipline persona

 

[St. Widge]

That will wear thin fast, these are grown men who respect leadership and a system that works, people have to like coming to work, like any other job.

I'm not saying a true butt crevasse, but I am saying someone like Rizzi who the players loved, but is clearly a guy that will get in a player's face. Even Payton did that and the players loved him. It can get old if done too much, but an assistant can get away with it more than a HC because the HC can come over and be like yeah that was over the top, but we all just want to see you become a better player, correct the mistakes, etc.

But, sure, there is more than one way to do this so maybe you don't need that as much as you just need a guy that demands perfection and won't accept anything less.

 

[St. Widge]

As a optimistic pessimist I'll see your need for enforcer coach and raise you a "What if beneath Kellens "aw shux" demeanor is a demanding personality? We all put on a public mask...somethings tells me there's a complete opposite persona beneath what he gives off as an initial impression and both are true.

For example Payton's demeanor was very much a disciplinarian...but beneath it the players love that he wears Jordan's and seems engrossed in the culure, and he was very much a party animal, we found that out as the years passed. Not to mention the vicodin stuff, which shows an opposite side to the discipline persona

It's certainly possible he's a guy that demands perfection under that nice guy exterior. And different people do react differently to how they are managed. I know I'm one who will just ignore/refuse to do what someone yelling at me wants. But, I do think it would be nice to have that option for players who may not respond to other types of motivation. Maybe not essential, but nice to have as an option.

And, FWIW, I think the issue with DA was more that he failed to establish a personal relationship with the players on his team more than that they weren't held to the standards. DA has guys to do that, but I just got the impression that he kept to himself and didn't really connect one on one with his players. Moore has already talked about how important it is to be yourself and connect with your players.

 

[meily]

I'm not saying a true butt crevasse, but I am saying someone like Rizzi who the players loved, but is clearly a guy that will get in a player's face. Even Payton did that and the players loved him. It can get old if done too much, but an assistant can get away with it more than a HC because the HC can come over and be like yeah that was over the top, but we all just want to see you become a better player, correct the mistakes, etc.

But, sure, there is more than one way to do this so maybe you don't need that as much as you just need a guy that demands perfection and won't accept anything less.

Payton won and he did not do that barking at players, his system worked, the guys loved playing for him because they had fun, Payton was not an in your face coach, he was a philosopher with a philosophy and the players listened.

 

[St. Widge]

Payton won and he did not do that barking at players, his system worked, the guys loved playing for him because they had fun, Payton was not an in your face coach, he was a philosopher with a philosophy and the players listened.

He did do it at times. He even did it during the Superbowl when he yelled at Mike Bell about his lack of cleats.






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[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

He did do it at times. He even did it during the Superbowl when he yelled at Mike Bell about his lack of cleats.






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Payton was very direct. Cam Jordan spoke on what changed w/ DA in charge. He said under Payton it was a "See something, say something" culture. He said that deteriorated under Allen as did the communication aspect. Felt like things were going unsaid or not talked about...likely taking on Allen's personality.

 

[HogsNSaints]

Brandon Staley is the ideal 1 for 1 replacement for everything Dennis Allen did well, and he is in the role that his personality and coaching ability SHOULD settle into (DC).

 

[Winter]

As a optimistic pessimist I'll see your need for enforcer coach and raise you a "What if beneath Kellens "aw shux" demeanor is a demanding personality? We all put on a public mask...somethings tells me there's a complete opposite persona beneath what he gives off as an initial impression and both are true.

For example Payton's demeanor was very much a disciplinarian...but beneath it the players love that he wears Jordan's and seems engrossed in the culure, and he was very much a party animal, we found that out as the years passed. Not to mention the vicodin stuff, which shows an opposite side to the discipline persona

Given that he went right to an OC position the year after playing QB I think its a good bet that he has great leadership skills and demands the most from his players. I hope thats the case. You don't have to be a butt crevice to have high standards

 

[dutar76]

Moore was winningest QB in college football history. That from a mid-major college with a reputation as giant killers. To me, that's a clue that he's a "leader of men" or at least was coached by "leader of men" and got to see it first hand. His age shows that he's had a meteoric rise to the top... So I'm inclined to think there's something special about him. Whether that translates to great HC remains to be seen, but I'm optimistic.

I think you can be a demanding HC without being loud and aggressive. You can create an atmosphere where players hold each other accountable. You can set a tight regimen and simply set the expectations through examples. Player is sandbagging? Send the player packing. No need to raise your blood pressure. See a problem, fix a problem. Set the tone with application, not volume. Actually a winning management strategy.

 

[TalleyHo1]

Brandon Staley is the ideal 1 for 1 replacement for everything Dennis Allen did well, and he is in the role that his personality and coaching ability SHOULD settle into (DC).

Certainly hope so.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I posted this to add more context to Staley's time w/ Chargers.

It's my belief however that in their initial teamup things were backwards. Staley will work best as the subordinate and Moore the leader. I think the pairing will be more fruitful that way. If you read the article Staley can be an emotional outlet for players, he's able to connect on a deeper level. Some of the "he didn't say happy birthday to me" stuff seems to be a bit petty and maybe was just players seeking to be in his favor and then being upset when they weren't. There's drawbacks to having "your guys" but there's drawbacks to treating everyone the same and not making connections too.

I think they can be fruitful together so long as Kellen keeps Staley from outsmarting himself which seems to be a common opion of him. Very smart guy...too smart sometimes.