N/S Tampa Bountygate 2021 (1 Viewer)

[Saintman2884]

Actually, there was a segment (I think ESPN did) about why Rose is still banned.
The basic summary is that after the 1919 Black Sox Scandal, MLB put the hammer down on anyone betting on games. This rule stood until the Commissioner at the time, Bart Giamatti, was reviewing Rose’ case. Unfortunately, Giamatti died before a decision was made and no other commissioner wants to undermine him.

As despicable and damaging to the integrity and almost-sacrosanct nature of baseball at the time the Black Sox scandal was understandable, I mean lets not pretend to excuse the reasons why those White Sox players decided to throw the World Series into of continuing to play and compete legitimately for a championship their owner didnt respect or pay them decently for. Their owner, Charles Comiskey, was notoriously cheap, frugal who went out of his way to undercut, underpay his top-notch players, hitters, relievers, even managers. He refused to wash their home/away uniforms until they nearly boycotted in forcing him to do so. He siphoned off money from each players bonuses to pay for their winning champagnes every year instead of paying for it himself, he agreed he'd pay one of his top pitchers like a $10,000 bonus if he could win 30 games in 1919, then he ordered the White Sox manager to deliberately hold him out the last few weeks of that season when he was at 29 to prevent him earning that bonus.

Rose' reasons for betting on baseball,.both as a player and as a manager, was entirely due to greed, long-term dependence on a bad habit he couldn't break and one that was getting very expensive by the late 1980's. Plus, his arrogant, cocky demeanor and his narcissistic tendencies at constantly painting himself somehow as a victim or a scapegoat, or that he was again, a very convincing, believable-sounding liar who caught in his own long, dangling web of deceits it became unmanageable and it led to him being called out and banned for it.

 

[UFCSaint]

There is zero chance anything will be looked into and zero chance that the media picks it up.

 

[baarbogast]

Send it to Pay McAfee, Dan Patrick, and Rich Risen. I am sure they will talk about it.

 

[B-Train]

Has anyone even stopped to consider the source? Who the hell is “JoeBucsFan”? Is this coming from literally anywhere else other than this Twitter rando?

 

[BarBar]

This kind of thing goes on in every locker room both before and after bountygate. I am convinced of that. Nothing will be done about it because the big plays drive viewers. We were made an example of just to prove a point. It was NEVER about player safety. In the end it was just some numbers on a napkin that never matched up to any actual game footage. It cost us a ring, and another was blatantly robbed from us in 2018. I will never be over it, but at this point I have zero expectation that anything will be made right.

 

[LUX]

I come into the thread to read and talk about new bounty talk in the NFL and then thread was high jacked to MLB steroids and then HOF racist MLB players...not even sure what thread this is supposed to be.

Guess we can't stay on topic so I'll just see you all later.

 

[gavinj]

Has anyone even stopped to consider the source? Who the hell is “JoeBucsFan”? Is this coming from literally anywhere else other than this Twitter rando?

Yep.

Super Bowl 2021: Buccaneers' Devin White says he and Lavonte David have $1,000 in-game contests

White and David sometimes compete against each other on the field

www.cbssports.com

Devin White makes a remark that could raise eyebrows in the league office

Nearly a decade after the Saints' bounty scandal gave the NFL an opportunity to show that player health and safety has become a major priority (as long as the full extent of the cultural realities of bounties throughout the league was never fully explored), a much less problematic version of the…

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[bonnjer]

Sounds to me like Sean Payton is about to get another suspension and we'll lose all our draft picks for the year.

 

[B-Train]

Yep.

Super Bowl 2021: Buccaneers' Devin White says he and Lavonte David have $1,000 in-game contests

White and David sometimes compete against each other on the field

www.cbssports.com

Devin White makes a remark that could raise eyebrows in the league office

Nearly a decade after the Saints' bounty scandal gave the NFL an opportunity to show that player health and safety has become a major priority (as long as the full extent of the cultural realities of bounties throughout the league was never fully explored), a much less problematic version of the…

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Thank you. Wasn’t trying to be snarky, just literally hadn’t heard it anywhere else.

That CBS article makes me angry because the writer comments “even if they’re paying each other for performance it obviously can’t be compared to the Saints bountygate.” Bruh, that was the SAME thing.

 

[Hoodoo]

Thank you. Wasn’t trying to be snarky, just literally hadn’t heard it anywhere else.

That CBS article makes me angry because the writer comments “even if they’re paying each other for performance it obviously can’t be compared to the Saints bountygate.” Bruh, that was the SAME thing.

This is exactly the take the NFL and everyone else will run with.

 

[B-Train]

This is exactly the take the NFL and everyone else will run with.

The crazy part is how badly Goodell got raked over the coals for Bountygate at the time and yet the casual observer never really followed up on any of it. So your casual NFL fan/Saints hater only knows "muh bounties lol" and nothing beyond that because they never really followed up on the story. As a result... The narrative is that the Saints Defense (which ironically was largely inept) was Seal Team 6 and headhunting to end other players' careers and significantly injure them. We all know the truth and why the NFL did it to railroad a small market team in order to satiate a class action lawsuit... But that's the narrative.

The irony is that, Goodell's refusal to ever pursue similar punishments ever again is proof that his bounty punishments were complete unwarranted garbage. So we fans will never see true justice but the fact that he hasn't done it again in spite of such obvious cases like this Bucs one is just validation that it was rubbish.

 

[Madmarsha]

Well, with all due respect, Marsha, on matters like these, they can all go collectively fork themselves and to make it a nagging, little tune out of it that exclaims my point even further, I'll make it into a nice, pleasant-sounding, nursery-rhyme, sing-songish little jig we can all hold hands to and skip to up-and-down on the pavements like deranged, weird teenagers, young adults from the Purge movies.

I mean, you I was being sarcastic in my reply, right? We'll never get over it.

 

[Hoodoo]

So, I posted about this in another forum. This was the response I got:

Are you seriously going to argue that two guys making a bet with each other who can come up with big plays is the same as a coach/coaches giving rewards for injuring players?

 

[Saintstigerking]

Just saw this a few minutes ago on Twitter. I’m wondering how Tampa will spin this one

We got a championship because of bountygate now everyone is trying it!

 

[B-Train]

So, I posted about this in another forum. This was the response I got:

Yep. Every single time.