Neo-conservatives Continue to Turn on Bush: He's an "Appeaser"!!! (1 Viewer)

[blackadder]

Perle Turns on Bush in Harsh Terms

By NICHOLAS WAPSHOTT
Staff Reporter of the Sun

May 15, 2007

The Bush administration is beginning to appease rather than confront America's enemies, a former chairman of the Defense Policy Board and leading neoconservative thinker said yesterday, describing the president as "a failure" who is proving powerless to impose his views on his administration.

Richard Perle offered a withering assessment of the president's impotence at a meeting of the Hudson Institute in New York, saying American foreign policy is being applied by an out-of-control State Department.

http://www.nysun.com/article/54448?access=338900

I would say this is primarily because Perle is impatient to attack Iran. This guy has some stones considering he was one of the salesmen for the "cakewalk" in Iraq. Bogged down there, he wants to widen the war. Two wars are not enough for him.

He's clearly brilliant and frustrated the whole world can't recognize him as such.

Grade A checkenhawk, Mr. Perle is.

If he gets his way and the war is widened I'm sure he'll ride it out safely in his home in the south of France. Yes, this proud neoconservative is a part time resident of France, the country they love to hate!!!

 

[geauxboy]

Well, in the world of conspiracies, Iran is supposed to be invaded or attacked in 2007. I read it about 15 years ago and it surely looks to be coming to fruition. But, why is Perle leading the way instead of Cheney or Bush? I guess there has to be a sales pitch before the sale.

 

[DadsDream]

Wait...Bush isn't a "neocon" now?

Is there some official list or scorecard or something? I'm lost.

 

[blackadder]

Well, in the world of conspiracies, Iran is supposed to be invaded or attacked in 2007. I read it about 15 years ago and it surely looks to be coming to fruition. But, why is Perle leading the way instead of Cheney or Bush? I guess there has to be a sales pitch before the sale.

Yes, and Iran was supposed to have launched a suicidal missile attack on Israel and, I guess, our troops in Iraq on some Shiite religious holiday a few months back, remember???

Or so the warmongers claimed.

 

[LSSpam]

Wait...Bush isn't a "neocon" now?

Is there some official list or scorecard or something? I'm lost.

Bush never was. He just stocked his entire adminstration full of them. That's where the "sock puppet" perception of Bush comes from (the evil Neocons are manipulating and controlling him, etc etc)

 

[DadsDream]

Bush never was. He just stocked his entire adminstration full of them. That's where the "sock puppet" perception of Bush comes from (the evil Neocons are manipulating and controlling him, etc etc)

Are people born "neocons"?

Is there some kind of mark...fangs...hair on the palms or something?

Or is it a label used to discredit or dismiss someone...like the conservatives' use of the "liberal" label?

An oldie but a goodie:

WALLSTREET JOURNAL
Blame It on Neo
Don't call me a "neocon" unless you are a friend.
BY JULIA GORIN
Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005656

 

[blackadder]

Wait...Bush isn't a "neocon" now?

Is there some official list or scorecard or something? I'm lost.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo-conservatives/list

Not a 100% accurate list but the jist is there. Includes a few names no longer really associated with the movement...

I don't think Bush knew he was one when he entered office. He many not be one, but apparently he is going to get drummed out if he doesn't attack Iran as directed. Perle was happy to claim him so long as he could influence W.

Richard Perle:

"The first time I met Bush 43, I knew he was different. Two things became clear. One, he didn't know very much. The other was he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn't know very much."

Perle was originally quoted thusly by Pat Buchanan in "Where the Right Went Wrong."

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2004-10-13/arts/learning-to-love-pat-buchanan.php

Perle was fine with Bush so long as he was an empty vessel that Perle and his buddies could fill with hare brained ideas. Now that he is apprently not listening as intently to these people who led him down the garden path, he is an "appeaser."

Just say no to these snakes.

 

[blackadder]

Are people born "neocons"?

Is there some kind of mark...fangs...hair on the palms or something?

Or is it a label used to discredit or dismiss someone...like the conservatives' use of the "liberal" label?

An oldie but a goodie:

WALLSTREET JOURNAL
Blame It on Neo
Don't call me a "neocon" unless you are a friend.
BY JULIA GORIN
Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005656

If it is a label, it is their own label. They cooked it up.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

He's going a good enough job of discrediting himself.

Cakewalk...WMD...Mohammed Atta in Prague...Yellowcake...Aluminum Tubes...Deadenders...Saddam and Al Queda...Iraq can pay for it's own reconstruction...Last throes.

Quite a track record they have amassed.

 

[LSSpam]

Are people born "neocons"?

Is there some kind of mark...fangs...hair on the palms or something?

Or is it a label used to discredit or dismiss someone...like the conservatives' use of the "liberal" label?

I heard there's a "666" mark on the back of your neck right below the hair line. But that's just a rumor.

 

[DadsDream]

Name the names.

Self-Avowed Neoconservatives:
Irving Kristol

People who Kristol claims the Neoconservatives admire:
TR
FDR
Ronald Reagan

So, out of that whole link you provided, blackadder, I got one self-avowed Neoconservative.

Who is "they"? Name the names.

 

[DadsDream]

OK, you found a list.

Are these people self-avowed Neoconservatives or have they been hung with that label by others?

Neo-conservatives/list
From SourceWatch
Neo-conservatives/list also known as Neo-cons

See the neo-conservative entry for background information.

Elliott Abrams (PNAC)
Ken Adelman
Richard Armitage (PNAC)
John David Ashcroft
Fred Barnes
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett (PNAC)
Jeffrey Bergner (PNAC)
John Bolton (PNAC)
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
David Brooks
Shoshana Bryen
Stephen D. Bryen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Stephen A. Cambone
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula J. Dobriansky (PNAC)
Thomas Donnelly
John Doolittle
Douglas Jay Feith
David Frum
Francis Fukuyama (PNAC)
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. (PNAC)
Reuel Marc Gerecht (PNAC)
Newt Gingrich
Joshua Goldberg
Owen Harries
Bruce P. Jackson
Michael Johns
Robert Kagan (PNAC)
Zalmay Khalilzad (PNAC)
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Henry Kissinger
Neal Kozodoy
Charles Krauthammer
Irving Kristol
William Kristol (PNAC)
Michael Arthur Ledeen
Jay Lefkowitz
I. Lewis Libby a.k.a. "Scooter"
Michael H. Mobbs
Joshua Muravchik
Rupert Murdoch
Richard J. Neuhaus
Michael Novak
Martin Peretz
Richard N. Perle (PNAC)
Daniel Pipes
Norman Podhoretz
Howard Raines
Peter W. Rodman (PNAC)
Karl Rove
Donald H. Rumsfeld (PNAC)
Richard Mellon Scaife
Gary J. Schmitt
William Schneider, Jr. (PNAC)
Abram N. Shulsky
Robert W. Tucker
Harlan Ullman
Vin Weber (PNAC)
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz (PNAC)
R. James Woolsey, Jr. (PNAC)
David Wurmser
Meyrav Wurmser
Dov Zakheim
Karl Zinsmeister
Robert B. Zoellick

 

[geauxboy]

Are people born "neocons"?

Is there some kind of mark...fangs...hair on the palms or something?

Or is it a label used to discredit or dismiss someone...like the conservatives' use of the "liberal" label?

An oldie but a goodie:

WALLSTREET JOURNAL
Blame It on Neo
Don't call me a "neocon" unless you are a friend.
BY JULIA GORIN
Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005656

This isn't directed at you DD, but I've just can't understand this logic.

So, if you're not in agreement with someone, you can simply label (judge) the other which justifies the discredit or dismissal? This ignorance and lack of maturity (for lack of a better word) shouldn't be tolerated by the individuals we elected to office. This is Elementary actions IMO.

Namecalling provides reasons to not listen to the opposition?????????? :dunno:

 

[Saint Mike]

OK, you found a list.

Are these people self-avowed Neoconservatives or have they been hung with that label by others?

DD, you should know by now that it doesn't matter what you consider yourself to be, it only matters what your opposition labels you.

 

[DadsDream]

DD, you should know by now that it doesn't matter what you consider yourself to be, it only matters what your opposition labels you.

Especially when the source of the list is funded by the Rockefeller Associates, the
Rockefeller Family Foundation and Ted Turner!

 

[blackadder]

OK, you found a list.

Are these people self-avowed Neoconservatives or have they been hung with that label by others?

Neo-conservatives/list
From SourceWatch
Neo-conservatives/list also known as Neo-cons

See the neo-conservative entry for background information.

Elliott Abrams (PNAC)
Ken Adelman
Richard Armitage (PNAC)
John David Ashcroft
Fred Barnes
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett (PNAC)
Jeffrey Bergner (PNAC)
John Bolton (PNAC)
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
David Brooks
Shoshana Bryen
Stephen D. Bryen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Stephen A. Cambone
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula J. Dobriansky (PNAC)
Thomas Donnelly
John Doolittle
Douglas Jay Feith
David Frum
Francis Fukuyama (PNAC)
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. (PNAC)
Reuel Marc Gerecht (PNAC)
Newt Gingrich
Joshua Goldberg
Owen Harries
Bruce P. Jackson
Michael Johns
Robert Kagan (PNAC)
Zalmay Khalilzad (PNAC)
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Henry Kissinger
Neal Kozodoy
Charles Krauthammer
Irving Kristol
William Kristol (PNAC)
Michael Arthur Ledeen
Jay Lefkowitz
I. Lewis Libby a.k.a. "Scooter"
Michael H. Mobbs
Joshua Muravchik
Rupert Murdoch
Richard J. Neuhaus
Michael Novak
Martin Peretz
Richard N. Perle (PNAC)
Daniel Pipes
Norman Podhoretz
Howard Raines
Peter W. Rodman (PNAC)
Karl Rove
Donald H. Rumsfeld (PNAC)
Richard Mellon Scaife
Gary J. Schmitt
William Schneider, Jr. (PNAC)
Abram N. Shulsky
Robert W. Tucker
Harlan Ullman
Vin Weber (PNAC)
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz (PNAC)
R. James Woolsey, Jr. (PNAC)
David Wurmser
Meyrav Wurmser
Dov Zakheim
Karl Zinsmeister
Robert B. Zoellick

The list is not 100% accurate. Fukuyama fell out with the group. Brezinski has distanced himself...

The Weekly Standard, Wall Street Journal Opinion Page, National Review...

Irving and William Kristol. John Bolton, Eliot Abrams, Perle, Frank Gaffney, lots others, most are on that list though.

The Kristols are the only ones I've seen claim the moniker. It's not "neoconservative" they object to, it appparently is having it shortened to "neocon."