Next Saints HC may very well be facing off in the Bills vs Lions game (2 Viewers)

[Bill]

Just wondering… with the new kickoff rules, can you fake a short onsides kick and instead kick the ball downfield instead? I mean, is there any rule that says how long your onsides kick has to be? It seems that it would catch the receiving team off guard if you kicked it over everyone’s head and your guys wouldn’t have to change direction to chase after the ball. Is there any rule that limits how far you can kick an onsides kick?

 

[BBarnes]

One of these two guys may very well be the guy. Ought to be an interesting matchup!

Gosh I hope it’s not Aaron Glenn. Please no more defensive coaches. Definitely not one that was here not long ago.

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[BBarnes]

Just wondering… with the new kickoff rules, can you fake a short onsides kick and instead kick the ball downfield instead? I mean, is there any rule that says how long your onsides kick has to be? It seems that it would catch the receiving team off guard if you kicked it over everyone’s head and your guys wouldn’t have to change direction to chase after the ball. Is there any rule that limits how far you can kick an onsides kick?

Yes. It’s a penalty if the ball doesn’t land in the landing zone



“In the NFL, a kickoff must travel to the area between the receiving team's goal line and their 20-yard line to land in the "landing zone," meaning any kick that lands within this zone must be returned by the receiving team; if the kick falls short of this area, it's treated as out of bounds and the ball is placed on the receiving team's 40-yard line”

 

[Elvis]

I saw something out there that said that Glenn is interested in the Jets job. Good luck with that.
lol

Much lower expectations

 

[Bill]

Yes. It’s a penalty if the ball doesn’t land in the landing zone



“In the NFL, a kickoff must travel to the area between the receiving team's goal line and their 20-yard line to land in the "landing zone," meaning any kick that lands within this zone must be returned by the receiving team; if the kick falls short of this area, it's treated as out of bounds and the ball is placed on the receiving team's 40-yard line”

What is the landing zone for onsides kicks?

Also, can you punt an onsides kick, or does it have to be placed on a tee?

 

[Cajun Chat]

One of these two guys may very well be the guy. Ought to be an interesting matchup!

Maybe the wrong guy in the pic for Detroit although I don't think Ben Johnson would come to this organization with the mess we are in.

If it were these two than Brady a clear winner.

 

[BBarnes]

What is the landing zone for onsides kicks?

Also, can you punt an onsides kick, or does it have to be placed on a tee?

Good questions.

My understanding is there is no type of landing zone for onside kicks.

The other question I don’t know the answer. Once you declare an onside kick I’m guessing you can’t kick it down field towards the landing zone, but I honestly have no idea

 

[Bill]

Good questions.

My understanding is there is no type of landing zone for onside kicks.

The other question I don’t know the answer. Once you declare an onside kick I’m guessing you can’t kick it down field towards the landing zone, but I honestly have no idea

That’s my point. We know that an onsides kick must travel 10 yards before any member of the kicking team can touch the ball. But I’ve never heard of any rule that says you can’t kick an onsides kick 20 yards or 30 yards or 40 yards, etc. I can imagine all the players chasing a wobbly football that was kicked over the heads of the receiving team. Or what about using a punter for an onsides kick. We know that sometimes a team will use a punter to kickoff after the defense scores a safety on you. So what would happen if a punter was used for an onsides kick and he kicks the ball nearly straight up in the air about 40-50 feet high but only about 20 yards downfield in a way that it becomes a jump ball almost like a Hail Mary pass coming down. Since the receiving team has the job of trying to gain possession of the kick, it would be a lot harder than just falling on a ball that was squibbed 10 yards across the turf. If the onsides kick doesn’t by rule have to be placed on a tee, then a kicker can do a lot of things to make it more of a 50/50 ball by having it come down into a group of players that all have a right to the ball. I have to wonder if the official rule book addresses the kind of kick that must be made for an attempted onsides kick.

 

[RJS]

That’s my point. We know that an onsides kick must travel 10 yards before any member of the kicking team can touch the ball. But I’ve never heard of any rule that says you can’t kick an onsides kick 20 yards or 30 yards or 40 yards, etc. I can imagine all the players chasing a wobbly football that was kicked over the heads of the receiving team. Or what about using a punter for an onsides kick. We know that sometimes a team will use a punter to kickoff after the defense scores a safety on you. So what would happen if a punter was used for an onsides kick and he kicks the ball nearly straight up in the air about 40-50 feet high but only about 20 yards downfield in a way that it becomes a jump ball almost like a Hail Mary pass coming down. Since the receiving team has the job of trying to gain possession of the kick, it would be a lot harder than just falling on a ball that was squibbed 10 yards across the turf. If the onsides kick doesn’t by rule have to be placed on a tee, then a kicker can do a lot of things to make it more of a 50/50 ball by having it come down into a group of players that all have a right to the ball. I have to wonder if the official rule book addresses the kind of kick that must be made for an attempted onsides kick.

With the new rules, the onside kick must touch a player in the "set up zone" or it's a penalty on the kicking team and the receiving team gets the ball on the 20.

 

[Bill]

With the new rules, the onside kick must touch a player in the "set up zone" or it's a penalty on the kicking team and the receiving team gets the ball on the 20.

If your kicker hit the ball up in the air and came down in a group of receiving players, would that not satisfy the rule?

 

[RadsRock]

Dude called teams personally and they said "No thanks".

Just curious how you would know this?

 

[DSnfla]

The only success Brady has had is with Burrow and the best offense of the decade in college football and let's not forget Ensminger was the play caller at LSU while Brady was there. And he has Allen probably the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Also don't forget he bombed in Car as OC. He's not ready until he has success with a QB not named Burrow or Allen

 

[Bill]

The only success Brady has had is with Burrow and the best offense of the decade in college football and let's not forget Ensminger was the play caller at LSU while Brady was there. And he has Allen probably the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Also don't forget he bombed in Car as OC. He's not ready until he has success with a QB not named Burrow or Allen

Would it help his resume if he had success with a QB named Rattler?

 

[Snakehead]

Just curious how you would know this?

They were discussing it on NFL Radio, I think Moving the Chains. He called the Jets for sure and they eluded to other teams as well. The big thing is teams don't want to give up the control that he wants and teams want to go with young offensive minded coaches. They also were talking about how he never really played "the game" with other coaches, GMs and owners so nobody wants to play it with him when he was looking. There's other coaches who play "the game" and usually get recycled into new coaching roles.

 

[DSnfla]

Would it help his resume if he had success with a QB named Rattler?

Absolutely. But I sure would not invest the next 2-3 yrs as our HC to find out. You hire a HC that does more with less. Not some one that had success as a CO OC with one of the greatest collage QBs and offenses ever for ONE yr and failed at his 1st shot as OC in the NFL then takes over as OC with maybe one of the 2 best QBs in the league