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Its not that I agree or disagree with you because I absolutely hear you.....but the Saints just aren't going to tear down and purge. They just aren't. They've said it numerous times that they don't believe in it. There is to much risk of going 20 to 30 years of being cellar dwellers. They want to avoid that. But that's in reference to keeping the core/good players. Not coaching staff. They thought continuity was the way to go and perhaps with a better option as HC than Dennis Allen and a much better option for OC...they could have pulled that off. They do know at some point, they will have to stop kicking the can down the road and get to where they have a surplus again but a tear down and rebuild they won't do. Not right now anyway.I’m the biggest anti Dennis Allen fan on the board
But the chain of events for the next 365 is not finding his replacement .
There is not a single candidate with options that would ever come here .
All this Ben Johnson talk is laughable .
There is no chance that the saints would get someone like that under these conditions .
The next 365 days the saints need to purge the cap . Trade anything of value that will not help us win 3 years from now .
Eat up as much dead cap space the next 365 days as possible .
As much I hate Allen . He needs to stay one more year
Not because he’s good and not because I like him . But because if they do this purge they are going to suck no matter who is the HC.
Might as well let DA be that guy who’s the coach on a 2-15 type season .
Then after next season once your cap situation is much better and you have a top 3 draft pick then you can get a coach worth a damn for 2025.
If they let DA go after this year they will be competing with the panthers for whoever is at the bottom of the barrel as far as coaching hires go .
If Loomis does not do this and he keeps kicking the can down the road and putting bandaids on everything then he needs to go to
I don't think the roster is as terrible as you're making it look. Ramczyk isn't that old and we've seen our O-Line play much better when they had better coaching. My opinion, it's a mix of guys getting older and the coaching staff's inability to maximize what certain players do well and avoiding, as much as possible, the things they don't do well.The team has a few pieces on both sides of the ball that would start on other teams but not all that many -
QB - Carr is Andy Dalton with a diva attitude
RB - AK41 would start on most other NFL teams
WR - Olave is in the middle of a sophomore slump, CGM is done, Shaheed has been solid, the rest are career backups
TE - this team has TEs?
OL - McCoy might start on most other NFL teams, Ramcyzk is done, the rest are a collection of journeyman, busts, and
backups
DT - Bresee looks to have bright future, Sheperd and Saunders have disappeared, the rest…..who knows?
DE - Jordan is a team legend but his time is coming to an end, Granderson is solid and would start on most other NFL teams, the rest journeyman, busts and marginal backups
LB - Davis his age is showing he might have one more season left, Werner is Scott Shanle 2.0 not great, not terrible, the rest are almost not worth mentioning
CB - Lattimore and Adebo are solid, Taylor is ok, the rest are journeyman
S - Mathieu’s age is showing, Maye has made some major mistakes, Howden may have a future, the rest are STers or journeyman
K/P - Grupe and Hedley are both below average
So this team is hardly loaded with talent. They are old and poorly coached.
And for those saying a complete rebuild isn’t possible - it is but would be something like the NFL has never seen. The team would be virtually unwatchable for at least two years and would have the top pick in the draft for possibly both those season. Loomis’ ego will never let him admit that Allen, PC Jr, and Carr were colossal mistakes so a ground up rebuild won’t happen. Admitting he screwed the team by blowing it all up would pop his inflated ego.
Agreed. 11 of 22 starters are ok/good. Too bad there’s nobody of them at QB, just 1 on the OL, 2 on DLThe team has a few pieces on both sides of the ball that would start on other teams but not all that many -
QB - Carr is Andy Dalton with a diva attitude
RB - AK41 would start on most other NFL teams
WR - Olave is in the middle of a sophomore slump, CGM is done, Shaheed has been solid, the rest are career backups
TE - this team has TEs?
OL - McCoy might start on most other NFL teams, Ramcyzk is done, the rest are a collection of journeyman, busts, and
backups
DT - Bresee looks to have bright future, Sheperd and Saunders have disappeared, the rest…..who knows?
DE - Jordan is a team legend but his time is coming to an end, Granderson is solid and would start on most other NFL teams, the rest journeyman, busts and marginal backups
LB - Davis his age is showing he might have one more season left, Werner is Scott Shanle 2.0 not great, not terrible, the rest are almost not worth mentioning
CB - Lattimore and Adebo are solid, Taylor is ok, the rest are journeyman
S - Mathieu’s age is showing, Maye has made some major mistakes, Howden may have a future, the rest are STers or journeyman
K/P - Grupe and Hedley are both below average
So this team is hardly loaded with talent. They are old and poorly coached.
And for those saying a complete rebuild isn’t possible - it is but would be something like the NFL has never seen. The team would be virtually unwatchable for at least two years and would have the top pick in the draft for possibly both those season. Loomis’ ego will never let him admit that Allen, PC Jr, and Carr were colossal mistakes so a ground up rebuild won’t happen. Admitting he screwed the team by blowing it all up would pop his inflated ego.
I disagree, This team has talent , what it does not have is good coaching at ANY position. As far as the cap goes when have we not been able to get a player solely for $ reasons? Unless we did not think he was worth the $.I’m the biggest anti Dennis Allen fan on the board
But the chain of events for the next 365 is not finding his replacement .
There is not a single candidate with options that would ever come here .
All this Ben Johnson talk is laughable .
There is no chance that the saints would get someone like that under these conditions .
The next 365 days the saints need to purge the cap . Trade anything of value that will not help us win 3 years from now .
Eat up as much dead cap space the next 365 days as possible .
As much I hate Allen . He needs to stay one more year
Not because he’s good and not because I like him . But because if they do this purge they are going to suck no matter who is the HC.
Might as well let DA be that guy who’s the coach on a 2-15 type season .
Then after next season once your cap situation is much better and you have a top 3 draft pick then you can get a coach worth a damn for 2025.
If they let DA go after this year they will be competing with the panthers for whoever is at the bottom of the barrel as far as coaching hires go .
If Loomis does not do this and he keeps kicking the can down the road and putting bandaids on everything then he needs to go to
The job is to find a new head coach. We need to rebuild this team but we’re stuck. we’re stuck with Carr for another year and we’re stuck with all of our aging veterans because they’re contracts are structured so there is no way to purge anyone. So the only answer is to draft a quarterback, so that when we can finally get rid of Derek Carr we will have a quarterback on a rookie deal, and then the job will be slowly rebuild this team through the draft once we can get these aging high-priced veterans off the books But because of the way, we’ve already structured the cap there’s absolutely no way to cut them.I’m the biggest anti Dennis Allen fan on the board
But the chain of events for the next 365 is not finding his replacement .
There is not a single candidate with options that would ever come here .
All this Ben Johnson talk is laughable .
There is no chance that the saints would get someone like that under these conditions .
The next 365 days the saints need to purge the cap . Trade anything of value that will not help us win 3 years from now .
Eat up as much dead cap space the next 365 days as possible .
As much I hate Allen . He needs to stay one more year
Not because he’s good and not because I like him . But because if they do this purge they are going to suck no matter who is the HC.
Might as well let DA be that guy who’s the coach on a 2-15 type season .
Then after next season once your cap situation is much better and you have a top 3 draft pick then you can get a coach worth a damn for 2025.
If they let DA go after this year they will be competing with the panthers for whoever is at the bottom of the barrel as far as coaching hires go .
If Loomis does not do this and he keeps kicking the can down the road and putting bandaids on everything then he needs to go to
People still facepalming this… SMH hard…I’m taking a revenge tour commenting on threads that involve the cap. It’s a dumb strategy on the long term, it was crystal clear already, but up until this summer people were laughing about my/our cap concerns.