NS.. ex-NFL players sue league... It's starting to make sense now (1 Viewer)

[State Of Affairs]

Ex-NFL players sue league over brain injuries - CBS News

I get it but i don't get it... Now i understand why league is hurting the game by calling these nonsense pernalties.. They're simply trying to protect themselves..

Here's my problem with this and why I didn't see this coming.. What did these players think was going to happen ramming their heads and the rest of their body into other people and the ground at full speed????

I cannot for the life of me understand the law... Isn't it a reasonable epectation that if I do dirt diving from 20 feet that there will probably be some long term negitive effect on my body and how can an employer be held responsible??? You could have chosen to NOT play... go get a regular job that there are less health risks.

I can understand if the league kept information from the players but whats to hide? You play football or box long enough, you're going to have some head trama. Whats next, ex baseball catchers sue MBL because their knees hurt when they got older... no crap

I have a huge problem with people who make bad decisions and then try to get money when the effect doesn't please them... They had a choice to do something that didn't include ramming their head into other people at full speed.. They did it cuz there was nothing else they could do to make the money that they made and probably wizzed it all away..

I'm amazed that the NFL didn't or doesn't have something in the contracts or whatever to protect themselves from this..

 

[El Caliente]

Couldn't this be likened to people working with lead based paints and asbestos who later on in life won cases against employers who allowed them to work in these conditions?

 

[State Of Affairs]

Couldn't this be likened to people working with lead based paints and asbestos who later on in life won cases against employers who allowed them to work in these conditions?

I would say no... People who were exposed to the paint suff did not know and they weren't knowingly inhailing the paint...

think the people who had issues with led based paint or asbestos have a valid claim to damages...

 

[SaintNashville]

Ex-NFL players sue league over brain injuries - CBS News

I can understand if the league kept information from the players but whats to hide? You play football or box long enough, you're going to have some head trama. Whats next, ex baseball catchers sue MBL because their knees hurt when they got older... no crap

I'm amazed that the NFL didn't or doesn't have something in the contracts or whatever to protect themselves from this..

I'm not naming any names but I'm friends with a former player who was injured. He was given some very bad information from the team doctors which, in any other industry, would have qualified as malpractice. (thisinformation led to him being injured again more severely) This terrible information cost him millions of dollars since his contract was cancelled and he was traded and was forced to re-sign at league minimum. He was unable to sue because the nfl has an employment contract that players must sign which impedes them from suing another employee of the nfl. He was shafted pretty badly and it's unfortunate that the doctor, the team, and the nfl can't be held accountable for what happened to him. That's my $.02

 

[El Caliente]

People even 4 years ago didn't know the effects that these concussions were having on players long after their days in football were through. That is just the same as the lead based paint, and the asbestos cases.

I think these players have just as sound a case as any employee. Boxing, Football, Fed Ex Employee, ice Cream man, its still working, and they all fall under the same umbrella.

 

[SaintsJunkie]

I agree with you, i was always taught , you make a bad decision and you have to live with it, and that has been the case in my life. But, some want to "have their cake and eat it too",like my grandma use to say.

 

[whodat67]

I'm not naming any names but I'm friends with a former player who was injured. He was given some very bad information from the team doctors which, in any other industry, would have qualified as malpractice. (thisinformation led to him being injured again more severely) This terrible information cost him millions of dollars since his contract was cancelled and he was traded and was forced to re-sign at league minimum. He was unable to sue because the nfl has an employment contract that players must sign which impedes them from suing another employee of the nfl. He was shafted pretty badly and it's unfortunate that the doctor, the team, and the nfl can't be held accountable for what happened to him. That's my $.02

Exactly right. I am friends with former NFL players, as well as current ones.

They've also stated that they are basically "owned" by the NFL, and can only use the team doctors. They can request approval of a specialist (i.e., Dr. Andrews, et al), but they can't go out on their own for a second opinion, or they'd be released, traded, etc.

I've also been told by a former player, that there were times that he didn't remember finishing the game after a hard hit. He basically said when games were close, and if you were able to walk and appeared physically capable, they sent you back out on the field.

There's much more detail to this. If I wasn't personally informed by these players, I'd certainly think like the OP states.

 

[Jimbo]

I suppose the players would rather play touch football and accept 1/100th of the current salary scale? And then the league would dissolve and no one would watch. Everyone wins and they can all go home. Ludicrous. It's an implied risk/reward relationship, and always has been.

 

[Mason]

Hope they win.

 

[gavinj]

Couldn't this be likened to people working with lead based paints and asbestos who later on in life won cases against employers who allowed them to work in these conditions?

I would say it's different because it's common knowledge that playing pro football has resulted in paralysis or even death in the past. So the suing players are making an argument that risking breaking their necks and being paralyzed for life was an acceptable risk, but longterm effects of concussions wouldn't have been.

 

[LafourcheSaint]

They could have pursued a career that didn't involve having other people knock you to the ground.


Most people here complain about ticky tack penalties........ Ladies and gentlemen..... here is the root cause for today's litigious gameday experience.

 

[Buickman]

Ex-NFL players sue league over brain injuries - CBS News

I get it but i don't get it... Now i understand why league is hurting the game by calling these nonsense pernalties.. They're simply trying to protect themselves..

Here's my problem with this and why I didn't see this coming.. What did these players think was going to happen ramming their heads and the rest of their body into other people and the ground at full speed????

I cannot for the life of me understand the law... Isn't it a reasonable epectation that if I do dirt diving from 20 feet that there will probably be some long term negitive effect on my body and how can an employer be held responsible??? You could have chosen to NOT play... go get a regular job that there are less health risks.

What you're attempting here is the same as what most normal thinking people would do, and that's apply common sense. Unfortunately, the problem is that common sense has absolutely no place in America where the law is concerned. That's because here in America you can spill hot coffee in your lap and successfully sue the restaurant. You can set the cruise control in your RV, get up and walk to the back to make a sandwich, wreck the thing, and successfully sue the manufacturer because they DIDN'T say that you can't do that.

The old saying is that the stupid will be punished, however anymore it's the dumb that usually prevails. If this lawsuit goes through and these players win, then we may be looking at professional flag football.

Just an opinion.

 

[Merl]

Exactly right. I am friends with former NFL players, as well as current ones.

They've also stated that they are basically "owned" by the NFL, and can only use the team doctors. They can request approval of a specialist (i.e., Dr. Andrews, et al), but they can't go out on their own for a second opinion, or they'd be released, traded, etc.

I've also been told by a former player, that there were times that he didn't remember finishing the game after a hard hit. He basically said when games were close, and if you were able to walk and appeared physically capable, they sent you back out on the field.

There's much more detail to this. If I wasn't personally informed by these players, I'd certainly think like the OP states.

Players do have the right to outside second opinions and the right to pick the surgeon they want if surgery is needed. This is spelled out in the CBA.

Section 4. [FONT=Garamond,Garamond][FONT=Garamond,Garamond]Player’s Right to a Second Medical Opinion: [/FONT][/FONT]A player will have the opportunity to obtain a second medical opinion. As a condition of the Club’s responsibility for the costs of medical services rendered by the physician furnishing the second opi-nion, such physician must be board-certified in his field of medical expertise; in addition, (a) the player must consult with the Club physician in advance concerning the other physician; and (b) the Club physician must be furnished promptly with a report concern-ing the diagnosis, examination and course of treatment recommended by the other physician. A player shall have the right to follow the reasonable medical advice given to him by his second opinion physician with respect to diagnosis of injury, surgical and treatment decisions, and rehabilitation and treatment protocol, but only after consulting with the club physician and giving due consideration to his recommendations.
Section 5. [FONT=Garamond,Garamond][FONT=Garamond,Garamond]Player’s Right to a Surgeon of His Choice: [/FONT][/FONT]A player will have the right to choose the surgeon who will perform surgery provided that: (a) the player will consult unless impossible (e.g., emergency surgery) with the Club physician as to his recommen-dation regarding the need for, the timing of and who should perform the surgery; (b) the player will give due consideration to the Club physician’s recommendations; and (c) the surgeon selected by the player shall be board-certified in his field of medical expertise. Any such surgery will be at Club expense; provided, however, that the Club, the Club physician, trainers and any other representative of the Club will not be responsible for or incur any liability (other than the cost of the surgery) for or relating to the adequacy or competency of such surgery or other related medical services rendered in connection with such surgery.

 

[JudgeElihuSmails]

I'm not naming any names but I'm friends with a former player who was injured. He was given some very bad information from the team doctors which, in any other industry, would have qualified as malpractice. (thisinformation led to him being injured again more severely) This terrible information cost him millions of dollars since his contract was cancelled and he was traded and was forced to re-sign at league minimum. He was unable to sue because the nfl has an employment contract that players must sign which impedes them from suing another employee of the nfl. He was shafted pretty badly and it's unfortunate that the doctor, the team, and the nfl can't be held accountable for what happened to him. That's my $.02

I am relatively speaking a nobody, but I have two old college friends that played pro ball and they both say that team trainers and doctors essentially threw your butt out there as long as you could answer a couple of questions, even if your ears were ringing.

Add that onto the fact that Joe Horn and other recent NFL vets are saying that they were given painkilling drugs (Toradol) that are now causing serious after-effects related to head traumas and you should be able to see that this isn't just some simple issue about players trying to get something over on the owners when they "already knew the risks." Instead it is a complex issue involving new knowledge and how to incorporate it into the evolution of the game and the game's treatment of past players.

 

[jagdad]

The way I hear it, the rules "of old" made the players PROVE that football caused the mental and head problems that occurred down the road. Hard if not impossible.
New Collective Agreement removes the factor of proof. In other words, no proof required anymore for the players to get help and treatment down the road. That's why all the new "protections" have been put in place.