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March 10 (Bloomberg) -- The political consensus may be that President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy has been weak. The judgment of money in all its forms has been overwhelmingly positive, and that may be the more lasting appraisal.
One year after U.S stocks hit their post-financial-crisis low on March 9, 2009, the benchmark Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has risen more than 68 percent, and it’s up more than 41 percent since Obama took office. Credit spreads have narrowed. Commodity prices have surged. Housing prices have stabilized.
“We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak & Co. in New York. “If he was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the president.”



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The U.S. may add as many as 300,000 jobs in March, the most in four years, David Greenlaw, chief fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview.
Zandi said the economic rebound is largely a result of the policies of the White House and Federal Reserve. He cited the bank bailout, the Fed’s low-interest-rate policy and support for credit markets, and the Obama administration’s stimulus plan, bank stress tests and backing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
“When you take it all together, the response was massive and unprecedented and ultimately successful,” Zandi said.
Phil Swagel, who was assistant Treasury secretary for economic policy in George W. Bush’s administration, considers himself a critic of Obama, though he said the White House policies were crucial.
“They could have done a better job, but their economic policies, including the stimulus, have helped move the economy in the right direction,” said Swagel, now an economics professor at Georgetown University’s McDonough School of Business."


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aeSenIUvpSK0&piece of work=10


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Economists Trim Forecasts for 2011 US Growth


U.S. economists raised their forecast for economic growth in 2010 in March, the third straight monthly rise, while trimming their growth forecast for 2011, according to a survey released on Wednesday.
Economists surveyed earlier this month in the Blue Chip Economic Indicators newsletter said the economy is expected to grow by 3.0% in 2011, which is 0.1 percentage point lower than estimates made a month ago.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/economists-trim-forecasts--growth/
 
March 10 (Bloomberg) -- The political consensus may be that President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy has been weak. The judgment of money in all its forms has been overwhelmingly positive, and that may be the more lasting appraisal.
One year after U.S stocks hit their post-financial-crisis low on March 9, 2009, the benchmark Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has risen more than 68 percent, and it’s up more than 41 percent since Obama took office. Credit spreads have narrowed. Commodity prices have surged. Housing prices have stabilized.
“We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak & Co. in New York. “If he was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the president.”



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The U.S. may add as many as 300,000 jobs in March, the most in four years, David Greenlaw, chief fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview.
Zandi said the economic rebound is largely a result of the policies of the White House and Federal Reserve. He cited the bank bailout, the Fed’s low-interest-rate policy and support for credit markets, and the Obama administration’s stimulus plan, bank stress tests and backing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
“When you take it all together, the response was massive and unprecedented and ultimately successful,” Zandi said.
Phil Swagel, who was assistant Treasury secretary for economic policy in George W. Bush’s administration, considers himself a critic of Obama, though he said the White House policies were crucial.
“They could have done a better job, but their economic policies, including the stimulus, have helped move the economy in the right direction,” said Swagel, now an economics professor at Georgetown University’s McDonough School of Business."


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aeSenIUvpSK0&piece of work=10


tried to find an opposing view


Economists Trim Forecasts for 2011 US Growth


U.S. economists raised their forecast for economic growth in 2010 in March, the third straight monthly rise, while trimming their growth forecast for 2011, according to a survey released on Wednesday.
Economists surveyed earlier this month in the Blue Chip Economic Indicators newsletter said the economy is expected to grow by 3.0% in 2011, which is 0.1 percentage point lower than estimates made a month ago.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/economists-trim-forecasts--growth/

there was a study posted on here awhile ago that said that the average stock market gain during a Democratic year is higher than that of a Republican. His economics may be complicated, but they do seem to be working.
 
there was a study posted on here awhile ago that said that the average stock market gain during a Democratic year is higher than that of a Republican. His economics may be complicated, but they do seem to be working.
The economy is not the stock market.

Volume is relatively low, fewer players with big insitutional investors throwing in their bailout money. Small investor generally on the sidelines.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010...ries-on-why-the-stock-market-has-rallied.html

If all of you could go out and get a new 50,000 credit line and max it out, your friends will come over and look at all you rnews toys and comment how prosperous and successful you are.

Then 5 years down the road, you will likely have debt problems.

Uncle Sam, however, is able to keep getting a new $50,000 credit line each time the things starts to creak and groan under the weight and the real issues are pushed further off intothe future.
 
The economy is not the stock market.

Volume is relatively low, fewer players with big insitutional investors throwing in their bailout money. Small investor generally on the sidelines.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010...ries-on-why-the-stock-market-has-rallied.html

If all of you could go out and get a new 50,000 credit line and max it out, your friends will come over and look at all you rnews toys and comment how prosperous and successful you are.

Then 5 years down the road, you will likely have debt problems.

Uncle Sam, however, is able to keep getting a new $50,000 credit line each time the things starts to creak and groan under the weight and the real issues are pushed further off intothe future.

I know I shifted most of my 401k money over to the S&P when the economy was in the tank and advised a few friends to do the same. We are very happy with our returns.
 
We already know the truth no matter what happens. If the jobs and the economy follow the market and we actually get to a point where we are out of Iraq and Afghanistan and we have a budget surplus, the Republicans are responsible for Bush pushing the surge and laying the foundation for recovery that just took a while to take (in the same way that the Reagan revolution really was the cause of Clinton's success). If the economy stays in the tank, well, then it's all that dumb Obama's fault and those spendy liberals ruining what that rock of financial stability, W, worked so hard to achieve. Either way, it's Democrats blew it or rode on Republican success, so Obama is 100% irrelevant to any recovery (if one happens).
 
I know I shifted most of my 401k money over to the S&P when the economy was in the tank and advised a few friends to do the same. We are very happy with our returns.
You were also very happy with the appreciation in your home value from 2000 to 2007, even though the policies that allowed that to happen were short sighted and created conditions for big trouble later on.
 
You were also very happy with the appreciation in your home value from 2000 to 2007, even though the policies that allowed that to happen were short sighted and created conditions for big trouble later on.

My home is still worth 30% more than I put into it. :idunno:

Sorry, I just wanted to brag.

The problem isn't so much deficit spending during a recession - it's the lack of fiscal discipline to pay back that debt during economic recovery.

The pain will start in 2013 or so, when Social Security starts to collect its IOUs.
 
The economy is not the stock market.

Volume is relatively low, fewer players with big insitutional investors throwing in their bailout money. Small investor generally on the sidelines.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010...ries-on-why-the-stock-market-has-rallied.html

If all of you could go out and get a new 50,000 credit line and max it out, your friends will come over and look at all you rnews toys and comment how prosperous and successful you are.

Then 5 years down the road, you will likely have debt problems.

Uncle Sam, however, is able to keep getting a new $50,000 credit line each time the things starts to creak and groan under the weight and the real issues are pushed further off intothe future.

Am I a large institutional investor? I'd been on the sidelines except IRAs and retirement vehicles since 07 and I have debt only on the mortgage of my primary residence.
 
I've been saying for a while now that Obama is another Clinton... Just like Clinton, Barry Obama represents the best hopes of the Liberals ("Healthcare for all!!") and the worst fears of Conservatives ("He's gonna take away our guns!!")... in reality, like Clinton, he is a centrist and, like Clinton, he will be good for the economy.
 
Am I a large institutional investor? I'd been on the sidelines except IRAs and retirement vehicles since 07 and I have debt only on the mortgage of my primary residence.
You are an outlier.
 
It's hard to convince people without jobs (and the number increases every day) that the economy is rising.
This is the truth. One of the biggest reasons for the job numbers looking as good as they do right now is the number of people that got jobs with the census, and temp job working on road projects. When that money runs out and those jobs come to a end it's going to get bad.
 
This is the truth. One of the biggest reasons for the job numbers looking as good as they do right now is the number of people that got jobs with the census, and temp job working on road projects. When that money runs out and those jobs come to a end it's going to get bad.



is sounds like u r *hoping* that things turn out bad... why is that?
 
I've been saying for a while now that Obama is another Clinton... Just like Clinton, Barry Obama represents the best hopes of the Liberals ("Healthcare for all!!") and the worst fears of Conservatives ("He's gonna take away our guns!!")... in reality, like Clinton, he is a centrist and, like Clinton, he will be good for the economy.

I disagree on Obama being a centrist. I wish he was like Clinton.
 

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