Obama's ties to Farrakhan (1 Viewer)

[NCSaint]

>>That's not a knock on Obama personally, but it leads me to seriously question his judgment if his "minister" (and a so-called Christian) ascribes to Farrakhan and his views.

Yet many Catholic Preists have associated with known pedophiles and supported moving them from one congregation to another rather than turning them into the state for prosecution. So you're okay with childrapists?

TPS

oohhh....now it is getting good.

 

[Saintman2884]

Steve, does that mean the whole Catholic Church is crooked for having a few rotten apples in sexually deviant priests. This issue is sort of apple and oranges. the OP is saying that a future presidential candidate has a trusted friend and minister who has sharp and somewhat bigoted beliefs on Jews, homosexuals, and whites. I will give Obama the benefit of the doubt but comparing this issue to deviant screwed up priests in the Catholic diocese is a bit of a stretch. Sexually deviant priests are one thing but racist and homophobic ministers are quite another thing unto themselves. See Fred Phelps as a good example Steve we all know of his exploits on the EE board

 

[TPS]

Sure it is Saintsman. But it still boils down to individuals we trust cavorting with those we find unsavory. So if "guilt by association" filters through, the dominos still all fall the same way.

TPS

 

[DMaestro]

If my minister, head of my church, supported the KKK, or Nazi agendas, I would find another church. Barack continues to thank his friend and minister.

Let's not get it twisted. Farrakhan is a ******* fool, but he has neither murdered, overseen the murder of, nor advocated the murder of Jewish people (to the best of my knowledge). Obama has not associated with Farrakhan, and he has rejected Farrakhan's endorsement based on ideology alone. So there are no "ties" to Farrakhan.

 

[rob021275]

>>That's not a knock on Obama personally, but it leads me to seriously question his judgment if his "minister" (and a so-called Christian) ascribes to Farrakhan and his views.

Yet many Catholic Preists have associated with known pedophiles and supported moving them from one congregation to another rather than turning them into the state for prosecution. So you're okay with childrapists?

TPS

Absolutely not. That is the exception, not the rule. No priest I have ever known personally has done anything but condemn this kind of behavior and the people who try to hide it.

If I honestly thought that any church was perfect, I'd consider changing.

If a church's leader associates with and praises someone who blatantly spews hate, you have to be skeptical. I'm not questioning Obama, his faith, or his church. I'm questioning his judgment if he thinks his professed Christianity is somehow diminished if he dumps this guy or this particular church and goes right down the street to another church that doesn't cater to bigots.

What the Catholic Church did covertly would NEVER be acceptable publicly to almost 100% of Catholics. The minute it becomes the Church's public and official position to hide pedophilia and allegations of pedophilia from law enforcement, I'm out of there and will not return.

I get your point about tacit acceptance, and it's well taken.

 

[SoonerJim]

The larger point, addressed in the current Newsweek, is whether Obama's Jewish support will materialize. There is a Jewish tie to the early Civil Rights movement, and Obama is the culmination of these efforts. There is a rumor Hillary is putting distance between these groups, and Obama is steering clear.

To hear this, I wonder if Obama will install loudspeakers on government buildings across the nation to call us all to holy prayer five or so times a day. My office is stuck on the second floor, and my compass can't tell where Mecca is. Can Osa, Obama give me a map along with my free healthcare?

 

[FWtex]

Obama has denounced AND rejected Farrakhan.

His minister isn't running for President.

I am glad this was brought up. What does it mean to say you denounce and /or reject something or someone.

I was watching the debate when he said it and for me I thought it was yet another free and easy claim to make by Obama. How difficult is it to say you denounce something? What actions has Obama done to show he denounces Farrakhan?

I don't want to see him denounce it for the sake of his campaign, I want to see him boldly stand up and specifically state the beliefs of Farrakhan he opposes with the same energy and compassion he uses to speak of change and hope.

He did not have that same energy and compassion when he said he rejected Farrakhan and he did not expand on it. How much money has he accepted from Farrakhan and his followers?

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I am glad this was brought up. What does it mean to say you denounce and /or reject something or someone.

I was watching the debate when he said it and for me I thought it was yet another free and easy claim to make by Obama. How difficult is it to say you denounce something? What actions has Obama done to show he denounces Farrakhan?

I don't want to see him denounce it for the sake of his campaign, I want to see him boldly stand up and specifically state the beliefs of Farrakhan he opposes with the same energy and compassion he uses to speak of change and hope.

He did not have that same energy and compassion when he said he rejected Farrakhan and he did not expand on it. How much money has he accepted from Farrakhan and his followers?

What stances or policies does he have that support Farrakhan?

You can't disprove a negative. Do you want him to introduce legislation banning the Nation of Islam.

Wait, don't answer that.

 

[Saint Tillage]

I am glad this was brought up. What does it mean to say you denounce and /or reject something or someone.

I was watching the debate when he said it and for me I thought it was yet another free and easy claim to make by Obama. How difficult is it to say you denounce something? What actions has Obama done to show he denounces Farrakhan?

I don't want to see him denounce it for the sake of his campaign, I want to see him boldly stand up and specifically state the beliefs of Farrakhan he opposes with the same energy and compassion he uses to speak of change and hope.

He did not have that same energy and compassion when he said he rejected Farrakhan and he did not expand on it. How much money has he accepted from Farrakhan and his followers?

Thats ridiculous as is this whole issue and hiliary is a hypocrite for even bringing that bs up.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Thats ridiculous as is this whole issue and hiliary is a hypocrite for even bringing that bs up.

Hillary didn't bring it up, the moderator did.

Also, I think it's a valid point of discussion. I think Obama did the right thing in denouncing him but I certainly see where people would be concerned about his pastors connection. This is the price you pay as a politician for associating with someone or some entity that has radical views. It gives you the added pressure of having to explain that association.

 

[RABDOG]

obama's minister is not anti-jew....if he is "anti-gay" it is to the extent that most ministers and preist are protaining to the bible....2nd and this is very critical...he gave farrakkan a lifetime achievement award for his work with ex-convicts in getting them on the right track to become productive citizens....it is in that regard and that regard only that farrakkan got this award....i just got some questions about this...why does obama have to reject and denounce farrakan because farrakkan says he supports obama run for president???? this is so stupid to "have" to do this...i have much respect for john mccain for rejecting that dumb*** dudes comments the other day ....but he did not "have" to reject that dude...he did it because he wanted to, then he got flack for doing so...i saw trent lott on fox news bashing obama and supporting mccain... i would like to see mccain denouce and reject trent lott, who has suported david duke and others like him and has a long history of racist remarks and ideoligy.

 

[DMaestro]

I don't want to see him denounce it for the sake of his campaign, I want to see him boldly stand up and specifically state the beliefs of Farrakhan he opposes with the same energy and compassion he uses to speak of change and hope.

Let's be a little clearer here. Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama was based almost solely on the fact that he's a black presidential candidate drawing widespread support in a country whose history is steeped in racism. Hell, that's inspiring to many of us.

Farrakhan claimed no ideological kinship with Obama. He did not say "I feel Obama is the best candidate to push my anti-semitic agenda in Washington, therefore I am endorsing him for president."

Obama got it right. He's denounced Farrakhan's views time and time again. His politics have reflected no anti-semitic bias. There's no need to call a press conference just to tell Farrakhan to shove his endorsement where the sun don't shine.

A fool says he likes him: so what? A lot of non-fools do too.

 

[V Chip]

We spend waaaay too much time trying to reason with idiots on this board.

 

[FWtex]

What stances or policies does he have that support Farrakhan?

You can't disprove a negative. Do you want him to introduce legislation banning the Nation of Islam.

Wait, don't answer that.

Like it or not, right or wrong, if their is a perceived association to the point of it being brought up in a debate then its a question the voters want an answer to.

Farrakhan is obviously not an accepted figure to the vast majority of americans views or else he would run for president himself or at the least have a positive influence. If the association is there and it were me, I would go to lengths to make sure people knew I did not have the same views.

What I notice so far of Obamma is that he appears to be fighting a battle of his internal beliefs and refuses to make a decisive stance. JMHO.

 

[BullDawg]

I don't ever recall Trent Lott supporting David Duke. But anyhow.

This is rediculous. Really. Substance people...let's deal with substance, not rhetoric.