Ok, You are Dennis Allen (1 Viewer)

[DSnfla]

You are DA. You know this yr is it if you don't make the playoffs and probably win a game more than likely you're gone.
What are at least 5 moves you are going to make knowing you have to win this yr.
Please be real and don't say " Resign" Or " just keep doing what you're doing" or " Just keep chopping wood " Or some other lazy response.
For me it's
1, Hire Waldron for OC, Of the 3 guys mentioned as candidates he's the one that give us the best chance of winning now, Robinson and Pitcher have no play-calling experience and if I'm DA I don't need a period of time for them to figure it out and get a groove
2, If Waldron doesn't want his own OL coach fire Doug Marrone. The OL had regressed EVERY yr since we re-hired DM. 1st guy I'm calling is Roy Istvan the Ast OL coach for the Eagles, he's been learning from the best OL coach in the league Stoutland
3, Sign a GOOD LT in FA, We probably can't afford great but we can do good. Ram has said he'll be back let's hope he's better than he was last yr. if not he's a liability @ RT
4, Sign a GOOD edge rusher in FA , just like LT we can't afford a great one but a good one is in our reach.
5, In the draft unless someone like Bowers falls to 14 draft a starting or soon to be starting O lineman and a pass rusher.
6, Make developing Penning a PRIORITY
These are all based on what we know now. Underhill said he does not expect us to hire an OC before the senior bowl so maybe anther better qualified candidate becomes available
OK , What's your plan or why you don't like mine?

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I would immediately resign.

 

[Artifactual]

I would immediately resign.

What are you waiting for?

OP asked for some meaningful input not the typical tired and worn-out lame responses we've all seen here before.

This stuff stopped being funny already.

Let's move on please.

 

[fanoftheyear7]

Keep doing what you’re doing!

…I know you didn’t want this response, but why isn’t it realistic?? I mean it got him a 3rd year!

 

[DSnfla]

Keep doing what you’re doing!

…I know you didn’t want this response, but why isn’t it realistic?? I mean it got him a 3rd year!

Because it's a lazy response. And just really dumb. No coach or just anyone in general would pass up millions of $ and just resign after being given a chance to coach and maybe change the minds of everyone that hates me SMH

 

[j4m2b]

If I am DA, i am going to stop chopping wood

 

[Saint Greg]

1. Hire Gruden as OC - Carr had his best years under Gruden and struggled his first year in new systems.

2. Fix the offensive line

3. Fix the defensive line

4. Bring in Kicker competition

5. Dump the Aussie and bring back Morestead

 

[BelowZero]

God, this place is turning into a dumpster fire. Negativity everywhere.

We're 9-8. Not 2-15. Stop acting like this is the worst team in the NFL because you have an irrational hatred of Dennis Allen.

 

[Artifactual]

You are DA. You know this yr is it if you don't make the playoffs and probably win a game more than likely you're gone.
What are at least 5 moves you are going to make knowing you have to win this yr.
Please be real and don't say " Resign" Or " just keep doing what you're doing" or " Just keep chopping wood " Or some other lazy response.
For me it's
1, Hire Waldron for OC, Of the 3 guys mentioned as candidates he's the one that give us the best chance of winning now, Robinson and Pitcher have no play-calling experience and if I'm DA I don't need a period of time for them to figure it out and get a groove
2, If Waldron wants his own OL coach fire Doug Marrone. The OL had regressed EVERY yr since we re-hired DM. 1st guy I'm calling is Roy Istvan the Ast OL coach for the Eagles, he's been learning from the best OL coach in the league Stoutland
3, Sign a GOOD LT in FA, We probably can't afford great but we can do good. Ram has said he'll be back let's hope he's better than he was last yr. if not he's a liability @ RT
4, Sign a GOOD edge rusher in FA , just like LT we can't afford a great one but a good one is in our reach.
5, In the draft unless someone like Bowers falls to 14 draft a starting or soon to be starting O lineman and a pass rusher.
6, Make developing Penning a PRIORITY
These are all based on what we know now. Underhill said he does not expect us to hire an OC before the senior bowl so maybe another better qualified candidate becomes available.
OK , What's your plan or why you don't like mine?

Good post DSnfla to start good conversation about the Saints future beginning in 2024 (not yesteryear).

I fixed #2 in your post bc I think that is what you really meant, but I could be wrong. For good measure, replace DM regardless of who likes him even if it's D.A.

My observations regarding your suggestions.

1. Hard to argue about hiring Waldron for OC due to proven experience as an OC with D.A. on a lifeline not having time to experiment with a newbie. However, I don't know enough about any of the 3 candidates to say which would be better given the chance. What I would like to see from whomever is the new OC is newly innovative concepts. Steal several from Shanahan, McDaniel, McVay, Lafluer, and Reid. In the 2 playoff games GB had several plays in both games that schemed a receiver so wide open that the defender wasn't in the camera frame. The aforementioned coaches have plays designs that at times are unstoppable.

2. The new OC may want to use different blocking schemes than what DM likes to use. A change in Oline coach could hardly produce worse results. I think a fresh approach with new energy is what is needed for the oline to buy in and improve in 2024.

3. The Saints need to sign at least 1 starting tackle in FA and another that can compete for a starting job and offer swing capabilities. They need to draft one as well at some point. The Oline must improve in both the run and passing game in order for the Saints to improve in 2024. The Saints can't run it back with the same starting 5 that they rolled out in 2023. Ram may be done, hopefully not. The Saints need some type of production from him in 2024. His cap hit is a killer whether he plays or retires, therefore, the Saints need him to play even if it's only in situational passing downs.

4. The Saints may not have the money to be a player in FA for an Edge Rusher after focusing on the Oline. They will need production from Granderson, Turner, and Foskey. Cam said he played hurt most of the season and will recommit to a stringent offseason conditioning regimen. No European vacations this year. I don't doubt his desire to prove that he is not done and regain a bit of his youth. He's still solid against the run. If he doesn't regain his burst as an outside rusher the Saints should consider moving him inside on obvious passing downs where he would still be quicker than any other DT outside of Bresee.

5. I'd love to see the Saint draft Bowers but a day one starting Olineman would upgrade that unit immediately. If a top WR fell to the Saints at 14 I would like that as well. A solid #1 or #2 to mix in with Olave, Shaheed, and Perry would make the receiver group a top overall unit immediately. Need Olineman somewhere in the draft, period.

6. Make developing Penning a priority is priority number one. A new Oline coach may be the first step. I think he should get help outside of the building by hiring personal trainers such as out of work Oline coaches and former all pro retired Oline men. Someone seeing his issues from a different perspective. His RAS scores were top 10 in the past quarter century. His reactionary skills getting to his mark in pas pro sets is where he needs improvement along with his confidence. If LT isn't his cup of tea at the pro level then try him inside or at RT. I'm expecting the light to come on for him in year 3, but the Saints can't bank on it.

The Saints may or may not hire an OC before the Senior Bowl. If they wait, it's possible one of the current candidates gets hired elsewhere. It's also possible the Saints interview other candidates for OC other than Waldron, Robinson, or Pitcher. The Senior Bowl is a mere 2 weeks away on Feb. 3rd. The Saints like every other NFL team will be talking with other position coaches during Senior Bowl week. Currently the Saints need an OC, a WR coach, and a RB coach. They may hire and/or fire someone else between now and then. All of that will be upon us soon. Then we will know what the full 2024 staff will look like moving forward.

 

[Treybad]

I would say hire a new OC but believe Loomis is making that call or DA would have announced the firing of staff?

I would trade back from 14 to obtain more picks for this year and next unless Bowers falls to 14....

Try making OL/DL a priority in the draft while maybe selecting a LB, Safety, RB or QB for BPA options if OL/DL or ranked considerably lower than the present rd..

Add FAs where depth is needed , I would try real hard to not have to sign any starters in FA hoping to get them via trades, UDFA or drafting... If I can somehow find the starters using the three methods other than signing FAs

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Move Penning to guard.
Hire an up and comer offensive mind to be OC.
Fire Marrone.
Draft edge or OT in round one, then whichever you didn’t get in 1 get in the 2nd. Trade future asset to get back into 2nd or third to draft another o lineman if a good one is still on the board.
Try to re-sign Baun and utilize him as an edge more often.
Try to re-sign Peat for cheap
Kick Cam inside more.
If the relationship is salvageable keep Latt. He’s worth more to us than the level of pick we will get for him.
If possible try to get any asset can get for Maye, let Howden take over that spot.

 

[cpg]

5. Dump the Aussie and bring back Morestead

This one I don’t get. The Saints had the best coverage unit on punts in the NFL this year. Morstead had 25 more punts than Hedley and only 2 more inside the 20. They had the same long of 62, and Hedley and Morstead had a nearly identical fair catch number despite fewer punts from Hedley.

 

[Wheelo]

1. Hire Klint Kubiak as your offensive coordinator and let him bring whoever he wants to fill in the positional coaches
2. Going to be taken poorly, but trade Kamara and/or Lattimore for an early round pick in this year's draft
3. Retain Malcolm Roach and trade for Derrick Brown shoring up the run defense
4. Draft the top tackle in the first round, resign Peat, and work Penning like a dog to see if he's committed.
5. Throw the kitchen sink at Antoine Winfield Jr. at all cost

 

[Artifactual]

5. Dump the Aussie and bring back Morestead

This one I don’t get. The Saints had the best coverage unit on punts in the NFL this year. Morstead had 25 more punts than Hedley and only 2 more inside the 20. They had the same long of 62, and Hedley and Morstead had a nearly identical fair catch number despite fewer punts from Hedley.

Morestead also had 48 of his punts returned. Only 29 of Hedleys were returned. While TM had a net average of almost 2 yards more, I think Rizzi prefers to force the opponent to attempt fair catching a knuckleball and is willing to give up the 2 yards net average instead of the huge punt return that comes from a traditional punt in which the punters outkicks the coverage and puts the big return possibility in play. just my 2 cents.

On the other hand Morestead was released by the Jets in the initial cutdown and then brought back. He has posted on social media his love for the Saints and still has a home in N.O. He's probably a free agent as well. So whether he's brought back to compete or not the Saints most likely will have at least one other punter in training camp to compete with Hedley.

 

[DSnfla]

Good post DSnfla to start good conversation about the Saints future beginning in 2024 (not yesteryear).

I fixed #2 in your post bc I think that is what you really meant, but I could be wrong. For good measure, replace DM regardless of who likes him even if it's D.A.

My observations regarding your suggestions.

1. Hard to argue about hiring Waldron for OC due to proven experience as an OC with D.A. on a lifeline not having time to experiment with a newbie. However, I don't know enough about any of the 3 candidates to say which would be better given the chance. What I would like to see from whomever is the new OC is newly innovative concepts. Steal several from Shanahan, McDaniel, McVay, Lafluer, and Reid. In the 2 playoff games GB had several plays in both games that schemed a receiver so wide open that the defender wasn't in the camera frame. The aforementioned coaches have plays designs that at times are unstoppable.

2. The new OC may want to use different blocking schemes than what DM likes to use. A change in Oline coach could hardly produce worse results. I think a fresh approach with new energy is what is needed for the oline to buy in and improve in 2024.

3. The Saints need to sign at least 1 starting tackle in FA and another that can compete for a starting job and offer swing capabilities. They need to draft one as well at some point. The Oline must improve in both the run and passing game in order for the Saints to improve in 2024. The Saints can't run it back with the same starting 5 that they rolled out in 2023. Ram may be done, hopefully not. The Saints need some type of production from him in 2024. His cap hit is a killer whether he plays or retires, therefore, the Saints need him to play even if it's only in situational passing downs.

4. The Saints may not have the money to be a player in FA for an Edge Rusher after focusing on the Oline. They will need production from Granderson, Turner, and Foskey. Cam said he played hurt most of the season and will recommit to a stringent offseason conditioning regimen. No European vacations this year. I don't doubt his desire to prove that he is not done and regain a bit of his youth. He's still solid against the run. If he doesn't regain his burst as an outside rusher the Saints should consider moving him inside on obvious passing downs where he would still be quicker than any other DT outside of Bresee.

5. I'd love to see the Saint draft Bowers but a day one starting Olineman would upgrade that unit immediately. If a top WR fell to the Saints at 14 I would like that as well. A solid #1 or #2 to mix in with Olave, Shaheed, and Perry would make the receiver group a top overall unit immediately. Need Olineman somewhere in the draft, period.

6. Make developing Penning a priority is priority number one. A new Oline coach may be the first step. I think he should get help outside of the building by hiring personal trainers such as out of work Oline coaches and former all pro retired Oline men. Someone seeing his issues from a different perspective. His RAS scores were top 10 in the past quarter century. His reactionary skills getting to his mark in pas pro sets is where he needs improvement along with his confidence. If LT isn't his cup of tea at the pro level then try him inside or at RT. I'm expecting the light to come on for him in year 3, but the Saints can't bank on it.

The Saints may or may not hire an OC before the Senior Bowl. If they wait, it's possible one of the current candidates gets hired elsewhere. It's also possible the Saints interview other candidates for OC other than Waldron, Robinson, or Pitcher. The Senior Bowl is a mere 2 weeks away on Feb. 3rd. The Saints like every other NFL team will be talking with other position coaches during Senior Bowl week. Currently the Saints need an OC, a WR coach, and a RB coach. They may hire and/or fire someone else between now and then. All of that will be upon us soon. Then we will know what the full 2024 staff will look like moving forward.

Thank all that's holy for an intelligent thought-out post