Patriots' third round pick done for season with ACL tear (1 Viewer)

[jimrip]

Being that I think the Patriots are cheats, I find it interesting that the "developmental" players that have high ceilings, but need some refining always seem to end up on IR quickly. Yet many former players say that players on the Patriots IR list practice on a regular basis.

Not saying that this is the case with McKenzie, but isn't it kind of strange that this happens a LOT to the Patriots mid to late round draft picks? Everyone is talking about waiting for the Patriots to cut some of these rookies they drafted... will there be any good ones that don't end up on IR?

Being as how the Patriots are always breaking new ground in the cheating dept, they probably found a new way to hide a draft pick on IR AND compensate him without it affecting the salary cap.

ACL tear.. yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened

 

[lonestarcajun]

Feel sorry for the guy... I severed my ACL a while back (complete tear), my 19 year old is recovering from two torn ACLs he got in basic training and my 13 year old came home yesterday saying he heard a pop when he was running during athletics.

It's definitely not fun and I cringe a bit more when I hear about an ACL injury now having gone through it and seeing that both my boys may have knee problems as well.

As most have said, I wish they guy the best of luck... and can only hope his loss is the beginning of a tailspin for the pats.

 

[TheDeparted]

Being that I think the Patriots are cheats, I find it interesting that the "developmental" players that have high ceilings, but need some refining always seem to end up on IR quickly. Yet many former players say that players on the Patriots IR list practice on a regular basis.

Not saying that this is the case with McKenzie, but isn't it kind of strange that this happens a LOT to the Patriots mid to late round draft picks? Everyone is talking about waiting for the Patriots to cut some of these rookies they drafted... will there be any good ones that don't end up on IR?

Being as how the Patriots are always breaking new ground in the cheating dept, they probably found a new way to hide a draft pick on IR AND compensate him without it affecting the salary cap.

ACL tear.. yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened

Hmm...

You guys have a good point. One or two years on IR to learn the system and "heal" from an ACL, protected from being signed by another team?

I'll be interested to see how all of this plays out.

 

[Eman5805]

that's pretty cold... i feel sorry for him, he's only a kid and had a chance to play a dream

He still has a chance mind you, but I guess I'm just desensitized to ACL blow outs. I hear of them happening so often, it's just not enough to get sympathy from me I guess.

 

[blackngold4877]

Yeah, they've convinced him to fake an ACL injury before a contract is even signed. Some of you are ridiculous.

 

[Entoman]

Even if that's the case, you can't get mad at the Patriots for being smarter than everyone else.

Yes you can. Its against the rules for IR players to participate in practices.

 

[brees#9]

sorry for him . i hope he can come back from this.

 

[dwid]

Two years in a row they draft an OLB in the 3rd to help their pass rush, and the guy gets hurt very early.

yeah alot of their players seem to get injured, go on injured reserve, then play later on in their careers like they have been practicing with the team that whole time. Weird huh?

 

[dwid]

Yes you can. Its against the rules for IR players to participate in practices.

They still do it, and get away with it." If your not trying to cheat then your not trying to win". Screw it, we need a superbowl, if the best are going to cheat then we have to cheat to stay up with them. Hopefully this is what we did with Pressley and Arrington

 

[blackngold4877]

yeah alot of their players seem to get injured, go on injured reserve, then play later on in their careers like they have been practicing with the team that whole time. Weird huh?

I don't even know what this means, cite examples of this please, specifically with rookies or second year players which is the point of this thread.

 

[dwid]

I don't even know what this means, cite examples of this please, specifically with rookies or second year players which is the point of this thread.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450
""Basically, the Patriots would put a player on IR, knowing it meant he couldn't play in a game or practice with the team for the remainder of the season. By skirting the rules and practicing him anyway, it allowed them to develop his skills during the year. A side benefit is that they were also able to give some of the older players less repetitions and, therefore, additional rest.""


"Last Friday, in an article published on SI.com, Tucker wrote that: "I had heard the Patriots did this before I signed with them in 2005 and I saw it firsthand during my time there. I asked veteran receiver Troy Brown about it one time and he responded, 'Every team in the league does that.' I quickly let him know none of the three teams I played for previously had done so."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...in-practice-and-the-legacy-of-B?urn=nfl,84123



"But the fact that Tucker, Wiley and Hasty never saw it happen anywhere else does cut into the "oh, everybody does it" argument. Tucker's take is that there's so little to be gained by practicing players on IR that it doesn't make sense for a coach to take the risk of getting caught. But Belichick did it anyway."

I dont care if they did it or not, i actually like the patriots

 

[blackngold4877]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450
""Basically, the Patriots would put a player on IR, knowing it meant he couldn't play in a game or practice with the team for the remainder of the season. By skirting the rules and practicing him anyway, it allowed them to develop his skills during the year. A side benefit is that they were also able to give some of the older players less repetitions and, therefore, additional rest.""


"Last Friday, in an article published on SI.com, Tucker wrote that: "I had heard the Patriots did this before I signed with them in 2005 and I saw it firsthand during my time there. I asked veteran receiver Troy Brown about it one time and he responded, 'Every team in the league does that.' I quickly let him know none of the three teams I played for previously had done so."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...in-practice-and-the-legacy-of-B?urn=nfl,84123



"But the fact that Tucker, Wiley and Hasty never saw it happen anywhere else does cut into the "oh, everybody does it" argument. Tucker's take is that there's so little to be gained by practicing players on IR that it doesn't make sense for a coach to take the risk of getting caught. But Belichick did it anyway."

I dont care if they did it or not, i actually like the patriots

Right, I know what he said, and he didn't cite any specific examples either. When I look over the Pats IR lists I see maybe one or two rookies or second year players that were IRed and went on to do anything, in fact unless I'm overlooking it the only one I see is Mike Wright. Tucker was correct in that players did practice on IR, I'm sure, but only said that because it would get him a lot press at the time because I really see almost zero examples of these young players going on IR then playing like theyve been in the system for years.

 

[d3vanj]

Even if that's the case, you can't get mad at the Patriots for being smarter than everyone else.

You just watch me.

 

[saintsfannohelmet]

The Pats will put Some super Glue on that ACL and that guy will be in uni this year but if not good luck to the guy and I hope he can make a nice comeback

 

[bergeaux]

Not saying that this is the case with McKenzie, but isn't it kind of strange that this happens a LOT to the Patriots mid to late round draft picks? Everyone is talking about waiting for the Patriots to cut some of these rookies they drafted... will there be any good ones that don't end up on IR?

Yeah, they've convinced him to fake an ACL injury before a contract is even signed. Some of you are ridiculous.

I started this discussion, but I did not intend to point towards this incident for the very reason you mention. I actually don't think this is what's happening with McKenzie. However, my point is still there and I stand behind it. I don't expect a lot of talent to get cut from NE because they will find ways to stash them, as they always do, illegally.

Its against the rules for IR players to participate in practices.

Exactly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450
""Basically, the Patriots would put a player on IR, knowing it meant he couldn't play in a game or practice with the team for the remainder of the season. By skirting the rules and practicing him anyway, it allowed them to develop his skills during the year. A side benefit is that they were also able to give some of the older players less repetitions and, therefore, additional rest.""


"Last Friday, in an article published on SI.com, Tucker wrote that: "I had heard the Patriots did this before I signed with them in 2005 and I saw it firsthand during my time there. I asked veteran receiver Troy Brown about it one time and he responded, 'Every team in the league does that.' I quickly let him know none of the three teams I played for previously had done so."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...in-practice-and-the-legacy-of-B?urn=nfl,84123



"But the fact that Tucker, Wiley and Hasty never saw it happen anywhere else does cut into the "oh, everybody does it" argument. Tucker's take is that there's so little to be gained by practicing players on IR that it doesn't make sense for a coach to take the risk of getting caught. But Belichick did it anyway."

I dont care if they did it or not, i actually like the patriots

Right, I know what he said, and he didn't cite any specific examples either. When I look over the Pats IR lists I see maybe one or two rookies or second year players that were IRed and went on to do anything, in fact unless I'm overlooking it the only one I see is Mike Wright. Tucker was correct in that players did practice on IR, I'm sure, but only said that because it would get him a lot press at the time because I really see almost zero examples of these young players going on IR then playing like theyve been in the system for years.

Come on man, it's hard to deny what's going on in NE. BB cheats. And cheats big time. He always has and always will. If he had been on a no-name small time team, he would have been run out of the league by now with all that he tries to pull. A while back (and I don't feel like going and finding it or doing it again), I went through all the IR lists every year since BB started an NE and it was STARTLING how often draft picks ended up on on IR every year and later played for the Pats. Off the top of my head it was something like 3 a year. Not players, DRAFT PICKS specifically. No other team has that record or has players talking about "look out schedules" for a team to practice players on IR.