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Well, of course it's crap. I just think of it a) as entertainment, and b) one more different angle on things. If anyone takes the numbers seriously, that's on them.
 
Covington Saint said:
Don't use this as a means to hate on Pettis. He had very good showings with his limited opportunities. Probably deserves a bigger future than bub means at this time.
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I absolutely have no intentions of hating on Pettis.
It is just ridiculous that PFF has him graded as our highest rated UFA...

It is an example of the flaws in their grading system.
 
Rouxble said:
Yet every NFL team in the league utilizes PFF's services.
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Not for grading, though.

It’s a great resource for certain objective data points: like seeing how often (and when) teams use various personnel packages. My understanding is that service teams use allows for you to use a dropdown to find a ton of objective info and data.

I believe teams also have the ability to watch film clips by doing the same thing, saving them a lot of time when they’re searching for situation stuff.
 
MikeyF said:
It is just ridiculous that PFF has him graded as our highest rated UFA...

It shows the flaws in their grading system.
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Why? How? I mean you are spewing the disparaging remark about the ridiculousness of it but yet not detailing who should be the highest rated Saints UFA based off of performance of last year.
 
Saint Spud said:
Not for grading, though.

It’s a great resource for certain objective data points: like seeing how often (and when) teams use various personnel packages. My understanding is that service teams use allows for you to use a dropdown to find a ton of objective info and data.

I believe teams also have the ability to watch film clips by doing the same thing, saving them a lot of time when they’re searching for situation stuff.
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Yeah, I subbed it for 2024 and the premium stats are excellent. Now grading, who cares, but looking at all the raw data available is helpful.
 
Saint Spud said:
Not for grading, though.

It’s a great resource for certain objective data points: like seeing how often (and when) teams use various personnel packages. My understanding is that service teams use allows for you to use a dropdown to find a ton of objective info and data.

I believe teams also have the ability to watch film clips by doing the same thing, saving them a lot of time when they’re searching for situation stuff.
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They use the data that drives the grades. For example, they can watch every snap that was a loss for Trevor Penning to see how best to attack him, which would require teams to have some faith that PFF's staff is able to identify a win or loss.

To me, it's funny that one of the biggest complaints of PFF is that they don't know a player's exact assignment on a play. News flash, neither do NFL coaches watching opponents' game film. Both groups are making educated guesses, but they can still see when a DL gets driven back, or when an OT gets completely beat on a passing down, even without knowing for sure precisely what a player was expected to do.

I wish I could find it, but there was a video where multiple coaches were asked to identify the pass coverage from the same game film, and they were all coming up with different answers. Even if they differ on what they think the coverage is, they can still figure out whether a CB has the speed to recover on a crossing route, or the physical skills to jam a receiver at the line.
 
Rouxble said:
They use the data that drives the grades. For example, they can watch every snap that was a loss for Trevor Penning to see how best to attack him, which would require teams to have some faith that PFF's staff is able to identify a win or loss.

To me, it's funny that one of the biggest complaints of PFF is that they don't know a player's exact assignment on a play. News flash, neither do NFL coaches watching opponents' game film. Both groups are making educated guesses, but they can still see when a DL gets driven back, or when an OT gets completely beat on a passing down, even without knowing for sure precisely what a player was expected to do.

I wish I could find it, but there was a video where multiple coaches were asked to identify the pass coverage from the same game film, and they were all coming up with different answers. Even if they differ on what they think the coverage is, they can still figure out whether a CB has the speed to recover on a crossing route, or the physical skills to jam a receiver at the line.
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But they don’t use it for the actual grading. That’s the pushback.

It’s their subjective evaluations that are treated by many as gospel that drive people around the league crazy.
 

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