Physical traits, speed, agility, explosiveness attributes of Top WRs (What's the formula?) (8 Viewers)

[Randy Jones]

How does Jerry Rice stack up. We all know about him.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

As Brees started to age they put a premium on CIT or catching in traffic.
Saints will sign a FA WR you can bet on it because they won't want to go into the draft with an obvious need at WR - They hate to be pigeon holed.

Leaving 1 spot to be filled by a drafted receiver(according to your data) and in a deep draft they likely won't go that direction in the 1st round - unless a WR is BPA. They'll be more likely to hit a thinner position early like LB or DB or even OT if all else fails.

 

[Snakehead]

How does Jerry Rice stack up. We all know about him.

Great question. Let me see if I can find all of the required data.

 

[Snakehead]

As Brees started to age they put a premium on CIT or catching in traffic.
Saints will sign a FA WR you can bet on it because they won't want to go into the draft with an obvious need at WR - They hate to be pigeon holed.

Leaving 1 spot to be filled by a drafted receiver(according to your data) and in a deep draft they likely won't go that direction in the 1st round - unless a WR is BPA. They'll be more likely to hit a thinner position early like LB or DB or even OT if all else fails.

I agree and it's evident by the shift in WR size that SP is after. In my opinion one guy who keeps jumping out is Austin Mack out of Ohio State. There is not really a lot of highlights on him compared to other WRs, but he looks to have all of the intangibles and the skills that SP looks for to including willing blocker, great route runner and can play every WR position. On tape, there are plays were his play and mannerisms are mimicking MT's. His catch rate his senior season was 100%. Now that I am plugging in this data, he will have at least 3 better than average physical attributes with one being 10" hands and the other being almost the ideal relative body size at 2.90.

 

[bobad]

I agree and it's evident by the shift in WR size that SP is after. In my opinion one guy who keeps jumping out is Austin Mack out of Ohio State. There is not really a lot of highlights on him compared to other WRs, but he looks to have all of the intangibles and the skills that SP looks for to including willing blocker, great route runner and can play every WR position. On tape, there are plays were his play and mannerisms are mimicking MT's. His catch rate his senior season was 100%. Now that I am plugging in this data, he will have at least 3 better than average physical attributes with one being 10" hands and the other being almost the ideal relative body size at 2.90.

Mack is way under the radar, could go in round 5 or 6. I know Payton watches tOSU, and betting he is very aware of Mack. He's a SR, so I don't quite know what to think of his talent.

 

[Snakehead]

How does Jerry Rice stack up. We all know about him.

Some of the data is not available on Rice as it wasn't measured back then. It also seems there is a range of what Rice's 40 time actually was. We always hear about the 4.6 40 and it looks like the slowest recorded time was 4.71 while another watch had him at 4.45 so he was somewhere in the middle. Using the 4.71, he would only score a 4, but his hand size was just slightly under the average and considering the brick stories, his 9.5 hands were probably a lot more capable than many 9.5 hands. This is also being compared to the top 25 receivers from 2019 and also missing data, so he very well could be in the 5-6 or higher range with all of the data and if his real 40 was sub 4.5.

When I have time, I might compare him to WRs in his generation as he probably will grade out to the top, but compared to guys now he still grades out extremely high.

Name

Round

Receptions

Yards

Height

Weight

Relative Body Size

Hand Size

40 Yard Dash Time

Vertical Leap

Broad Jump

20 Yard Shuttle

3 Cone Drill

Score

Jerry Rice

1​

74​

200​

2.70​

9.5​

4.71​

35​

123​

4​

 

[saint_drago]

WR is one of the hardest positions to predict. A player can absolutely dominate the collegiate ranks but then they get to the pros and it doesn't work out.

When I started really studying for the draft I learned quickly that WRs are risky. The 2001 draft being the perfect example. That season David Terrell and Koren Robinson were taken 7th and 8th overall. Both guys were seen as safe picks but they never lived up to the hype.

If I was scouting a WR I'd focus on his work ethic. Obviously the height/weight/speed stuff is important but most of the elite WRs work really hard. They want to be great. So I'd look at that, does the guy want to be great. It's not something you can measure though.

 

[Snakehead]

WR is one of the hardest positions to predict. A player can absolutely dominate the collegiate ranks but then they get to the pros and it doesn't work out.

When I started really studying for the draft I learned quickly that WRs are risky. The 2001 draft being the perfect example. That season David Terrell and Koren Robinson were taken 7th and 8th overall. Both guys were seen as safe picks but they never lived up to the hype.

If I was scouting a WR I'd focus on his work ethic. Obviously the height/weight/speed stuff is important but most of the elite WRs work really hard. They want to be great. So I'd look at that, does the guy want to be great. It's not something you can measure though.

Exactly. This is just comparing what their physical attributes are.

A good example was when the author compiled this data in 2012 for the 2012 draft class, Alshon Jeffrey and AJ Jenkins graded out the highest. Alshon has had a really good career and AJ Jenkins couldn't play football.

 

[saint_drago]

Exactly. This is just comparing what their physical attributes are.

A good example was when the author compiled this data in 2012 for the 2012 draft class, Alshon Jeffrey and AJ Jenkins graded out the highest. Alshon has had a really good career and AJ Jenkins couldn't play football.

Players like A.J. Jenkins would keep me up at night if I were in charge of a draft. Some players have all of the things you can measure but for whatever reason it never works out. Some players like Josh Reed and Troy Edwards were unstoppable in college but just average in the pros.

Playing WR in the NFL is difficult. The playbook is more complicated, the speed of the game is much faster, and some of the best athletes in the world are hounding you every single down. Corners have always been fast but now a lot of them are fast and big. It makes what MT is doing all the more impressive.

But as far as physical attributes go some of it has to do with the particular offense a team is running. Some players like a MT or Antonio Brown are transcendent talents that would excel in any scheme but some players like a Wes Welker are tailor made for a certain offense. SP seems to be looking for big bodied WRs who can make plays in traffic. If they can get some YAC then great but hands first.

 

[Snakehead]

Players like A.J. Jenkins would keep me up at night if I were in charge of a draft. Some players have all of the things you can measure but for whatever reason it never works out. Some players like Josh Reed and Troy Edwards were unstoppable in college but just average in the pros.

Playing WR in the NFL is difficult. The playbook is more complicated, the speed of the game is much faster, and some of the best athletes in the world are hounding you every single down. Corners have always been fast but now a lot of them are fast and big. It makes what MT is doing all the more impressive.

But as far as physical attributes go some of it has to do with the particular offense a team is running. Some players like a MT or Antonio Brown are transcendent talents that would excel in any scheme but some players like a Wes Welker are tailor made for a certain offense. SP seems to be looking for big bodied WRs who can make plays in traffic. If they can get some YAC then great but hands first.

I agree. I usually read up on a player going back to their recruiting and especially any interviews where they talk about their work ethic, how they feel about blocking, route running, etc. I look for what coaches say about them as well, and especially in those areas. Then I watch some videos to see if what they say is on film. Sometime during the process, I will look at their measurables to see how everything adds up.

This is why I am high on Hogan. Physically he compares very favorable to some of the top WRs, then looking at this body of work in college, he performed. Now, he's on his 3rd team, but every article or interview I have seen with him has been really good insight into his work ethic. Now, given the opportunity, he got into games and was making key blocks on some of the best runs during the games he played in. I think this shows he is willing to put in the work and do anything to get into a game. This mindset and work ethic will go a long way in an SP offense.

 

[Randy Jones]

Thanks for the comparison. Jerry Rice seemed to be most dangerous running crossing routes. Plus, his stats on run after the catch must be pretty high because I seem to remember him breaking free for considerable yards every time he ran a route over the middle.

 

[Snakehead]

I found these Relative Athletic Score cards when searching for some data on a WR. It's similar data points that are used in the article that I read and posted in the initial post.

Michael Thomas

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/michael-thomas-ras-12857.png

Tre'Quan Smith

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/trequan-smith-ras-17189.png

Krishawn Hogan

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/krishawn-hogan-ras-14404.png

Keith Kirkwood

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/keith-kirkwood-ras-16427.png

Deonte Harris

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/deonte-harris-ras-20091.png

Lil'Jordan Humphrey

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/liljordan-humphrey-ras-19870.png

Emmanuel Butler

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/emmanuel-butler-ras-17698.png

Tommylee Lewis

https://relativeathleticscores.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/tommylee-lewis-ras-13039.png

Maurice Harris
Not Available

 

[HobBeh]

WR1: 6'4" 230 4.4 speed
WR2: 6'1" 200 4.2 speed



with pads on in football situations

and 10" hands

 

[Snakehead]

2010 - 2019 Top 10 WRs in receptions average physical attributes.

Name

Round

Rec

Yards

Height

Weight

RBS

Hand Size

40 Time

Vertical

Broad Jump

20 Yd Shuttle

3 Cone Drill

Score

2019 Averages

2.40​

101.50​

1226.30​

73.30​

208.80​

2.85​

9.71​

4.53​

35.89​

123.33​

4.20​

6.85​

4.70​

2018 Averages

3.00​

104.90​

1321.30​

72.70​

204.30​

2.81​

9.66​

4.50​

36.28​

120.89​

4.28​

6.80​

4.89​

2017 Averages

2.11​

97.80​

1236.40​

73.28​

209.30​

2.85​

9.99​

4.50​

35.06​

118.71​

4.34​

6.97​

5.00​

2016 Averages

2.78​

97.60​

1220.70​

72.35​

204.40​

2.82​

9.71​

4.49​

35.05​

118.88​

4.23​

6.94​

5.00​

2015 Averages

2.00​

109.00​

1388.10​

73.48​

214.00​

2.91​

9.80​

4.46​

36.39​

120.75​

4.30​

6.99​

5.33​

2014 Averages

2.60​

100.40​

1404.80​

72.13​

203.90​

2.82​

9.59​

4.45​

36.00​

122.44​

4.21​

6.89​

5.00​

2013 Averages

3.00​

100.30​

1319.20​

73.43​

211.30​

2.87​

9.39​

4.48​

36.67​

123.00​

4.19​

6.90​

4.90​

2012 Averages

1.38​

103.70​

1438.80​

74.13​

216.10​

2.91​

9.44​

4.47​

37.25​

127.00​

4.19​

7.06​

4.70​

2011 Averages

2.38​

89.10​

1296.90​

73.40​

212.90​

2.90​

9.54​

4.48​

37.17​

123.50​

4.24​

7.05​

4.40​

2010 Averages

2.78​

91.80​

1085.90​

73.40​

210.30​

2.86​

9.32​

4.49​

36.40​

119.71​

4.21​

6.99​

4.60​

2010-2019 Average

2.46​

99.61​

1293.84​

73.16​

209.53​

2.86​

9.61​

4.49​

36.21​

121.85​

4.24​

6.94​

4.85​

 

[Snakehead]

2019 Top 10 WRs in receptions average physical attributes.

2019

Rank

Name

Round

Rec

Yards

Height

Weight

RBS

Hand Size

40 Time

Vertical

Broad Jump

20 Yd Shuttle

3 Cone Drill

Score

1​

Michael Thomas

2​

149​

1725​

75​

212​

2.83​

10.5​

4.57​

35​

126​

4.13​

6.8​

6​

2​

Keenan Allen

3​

104​

1199​

74​

208​

2.81​

10.08​

4.58​

2​

3​

DeAndre Hopkins

1​

104​

1165​

73​

214​

2.93​

10.08​

4.57​

36​

115​

4.5​

5​

4​

Julian Edelman

7​

100​

1117​

70​

198​

2.83​

9​

4.52​

36.5​

123​

3.92​

6.62​

4​

5​

Julio Jones

1​

99​

1394​

75​

220​

2.93​

9.75​

4.34​

38.5​

135​

4.25​

6.66​

9​

6​

Allen Robinson

2​

98​

1147​

74​

220​

2.97​

9.5​

4.6​

39​

127​

4​

7​

6​

7​

Cooper Kupp

3​

94​

1161​

74​

208​

2.81​

9.5​

4.62​

31​

116​

4.08​

6.75​

3​

8​

Tyler Boyd

2​

90​

1046​

74​

197​

2.66​

9.75​

4.58​

34​

119​

4.35​

6.9​

3​

9​

Robert Woods

2​

90​

1134​

72​

201​

2.79​

9.28​

4.51​

33.5​

117​

4.47​

7.15​

2​

10​

DJ Moore

1​

87​

1175​

72​

210​

2.92​

9.63​

4.42​

39.5​

132​

4.07​

6.95​

7​

2019 Averages

2.40​

101.50​

1226.30​

73.30​

208.80​

2.85​

9.71​

4.53​

35.89​

123.33​

4.20​

6.85​

4.70​

2019 Minimums

7​

70​

197​

2.66​

9​

4.62​

31​

115​

4.5​

7.15​

2​