Poor Clock Management By Both The Lions and The Bucs (1 Viewer)

[Noble Saint]

I feel like there was a gentleman’s agreement between the 2 coaches. If Detroit would have taken a knee with 1 second left every time, I think there would have been 5-10 seconds left at the end. Assuming Tampa took their timeout! Still a chance but not really!

How people don’t get this is mind boggling. Hell I’ve seen an article today saying Aaron Rodgers is promoting NFL logo for the Super Bowl conspiracies. Went on to just ridicule him on so many levels when all he did was as reference it and make a joke he wanted the logo next season to be Jet green. This is how idiots win at anything. They tire you out with their stupidity.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

How people don’t get this is mind boggling. Hell I’ve seen an article today saying Aaron Rodgers is promoting NFL logo for the Super Bowl conspiracies. Went on to just ridicule him on so many levels when all he did was as reference it and make a joke he wanted the logo next season to be Jet green. This is how idiots win at anything. They tire you out with their stupidity.

What are you talking about...

Anyway, Bowles obviously just screwed up and didn't pay attention when he got his timeout back. There have been several instances in recent history of playoff games flipping with almost no time left. Chiefs 13 seconds left... Diggs! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable!

Not something that would get him fired but the game ain't over till it's over. "Gentlemen agreements" don't exist when you're facing either elimination or an NFC Championship birth.

 

[Outbackjack]

1:33 after the pick.

1st down…..play takes 3 seconds, TO Bucs.

2nd down, 1:30 on clock….play takes 3 seconds, clock runs 40 seconds before next play. That’s 43 seconds.

3rd down. :47 on clock. …play takes 3 seconds….play clock runs down 40. Another :43 seconds.

4th down, :04 on clock…..Punt the ball deep through the end zone…..time expires on punt.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

1:33 after the pick.

1st down…..play takes 3 seconds, TO Bucs.

2nd down, 1:30 on clock….play takes 3 seconds, clock runs 40 seconds before next play. That’s 43 seconds.

3rd down. :47 on clock. …play takes 3 seconds….play clock runs down 40. Another :43 seconds.

4th down, :04 on clock…..Punt the ball deep through the end zone…..time expires on punt.

Punt is blocked, returned for a TD.

Punter mishandles snap, one second left, Tampa throw to the end zone touchdown.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Punt is blocked, returned for a TD.

Punter mishandles snap, one second left, Tampa throw to the end zone touchdown.

i agree, stanger things have happened...
But i would assume the lions would take an extra step back on the kneel down and add an extra second on each snap

 

[dvdman]

I feel like there was a gentleman’s agreement between the 2 coaches. If Detroit would have taken a knee with 1 second left every time, I think there would have been 5-10 seconds left at the end. Assuming Tampa took their timeout! Still a chance but not really!

Gentlemen’s agreement……serious?
It sounds like more of an issue of incompetence. IMO

 

[St. Geezy]

1:33 after the pick.

1st down…..play takes 3 seconds, TO Bucs.

2nd down, 1:30 on clock….play takes 3 seconds, clock runs 40 seconds before next play. That’s 43 seconds.

3rd down. :47 on clock. …play takes 3 seconds….play clock runs down 40. Another :43 seconds.

4th down, :04 on clock…..Punt the ball deep through the end zone…..time expires on punt.

But this isn’t what happened. Not sure I follow your point here.

Bottom line is Detroit took a kneel down on third down with plenty of time left for several offensive snaps, and Tampa willingly chose to take their final timeout into the off-season.

 

[Artifactual]

I feel like there was a gentleman’s agreement between the 2 coaches.

Sorry but this is a bad take. You play to win the game. No White Flags as Gleason would say. You play the full 60 minutes. I didn't see any hand signals between the coaches. It's simple. Both coaches lost count of the remaining time in the game after the interception and both coaches failed to realize that TB still had one timeout remaining. The confusion stemmed from the Buccaneers getting their timeout back after a successful challenge ruling earlier in the 2nd half.

Gentlemen’s agreement……serious?
It sounds like more of an issue of incompetence. IMO

As an aside, we've seen just the opposite in the past in the playoffs when McCarthy and Prescott thought that they had a timeout remaining that they didn't.

The fact of the matter is that neither coach realized that TB had one timeout remaining. If the Campbell had, the Lions would have ran the play clock all the way down after each play. If the Bowles knew he had a timeout left, he would have called it at some point to try to get the ball back even if it was for only a second to try one last play to win the game.

It was poor clock management by Campbell and bad situational game awareness by the entire Lions club. After the 3rd down play, Bowles should have realized he had one timeout left and called it with 36 seconds left in the game with it being 4th down. The Bucs would have gotten the ball back down by 8 points with a chance to tie the game in regulation. Instead, the Bucs just forfeited any chance they had to win the game. Imagine the responses here had that been the Saints.

"With the season on the line, a team should be doing everything possible to win. The Buccaneers just let the last 36 seconds run off the clock and took their timeout into the offseason."

MSN

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Bottom line is Detroit took a kneel down on third down with plenty of time left for several offensive snaps, and Tampa willingly chose to take their final timeout into the off-season.

 

[muddbug2]

This got little to no discussion in the media but the way that the Lions and the Buccaneers played out the final moments of the game were poor management of the clock by both teams.

The Lions risked losing. The Bucs thwarted any chance of winning.

An article from NBC Sports that appeared on MSN.COM outlined the mistakes made by each team in the waning moments of the game. Excerpts Below:


When the Lions intercepted a pass with 1:33 left in the game, the Buccaneers still had one timeout.

That meant that even if the Lions had used the full 40 seconds between kneel downs, they couldn't have run the clock all the way down — as long as the Bucs used their timeout.

The Lions knelt down anyway and didn't even take the full 40 seconds off the clock between kneel downs. But the Bucs never used their final timeout. When Lions quarterback Jared Goff knelt down for the third and final time, 36 seconds were on the clock and the Bucs still had their timeout. It was fourth down, which meant that if the Bucs had called their timeout, the Lions likely would have attempted a 49-yard field goal.

If that field goal had missed, the Buccaneers would have had the ball at their own 39-yard line with about 30 seconds left, needing to drive 61 yards for a touchdown and then score a two-point conversion to force overtime.


Full Article In Link Below:

MSN

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I hope TB keeps this coach for a long time.

 

[St. Geezy]

Sorry but this is a bad take. You play to win the game. No White Flags as Gleason would say. You play the full 60 minutes. I didn't see any hand signals between the coaches. It's simple. Both coaches lost count of the remaining time in the game after the interception and both coaches failed to realize that TB still had one timeout remaining. The confusion stemmed from the Buccaneers getting their timeout back after a successful challenge ruling earlier in the 2nd half.



As an aside, we've seen just the opposite in the past in the playoffs when McCarthy and Prescott thought that they had a timeout remaining that they didn't.

The fact of the matter is that neither coach realized that TB had one timeout remaining. If the Campbell had, the Lions would have ran the play clock all the way down after each play. If the Bowles knew he had a timeout left, he would have called it at some point to try to get the ball back even if it was for only a second to try one last play to win the game.

It was poor clock management by Campbell and bad situational game awareness by the entire Lions club. After the 3rd down play, Bowles should have realized he had one timeout left and called it with 36 seconds left in the game with it being 4th down. The Bucs would have gotten the ball back down by 8 points with a chance to tie the game in regulation. Instead, the Bucs just forfeited any chance they had to win the game. Imagine the responses here had that been the Saints.

"With the season on the line, a team should be doing everything possible to win. The Buccaneers just let the last 36 seconds run off the clock and took their timeout into the offseason."

MSN

www.msn.com

Haha…I swear, I do not write for MSN or NBC Sports.

 

[Brandon13]

Yeah I noticed this when it was happening.. if there's any chance at all, and there was with it being a one score game there.. you've screwed up if you don't use your timeouts.

 

[Artifactual]

Tampa not taking the timeout at the end really was mind-blowing. It's the PLAYOFFS.

That's the sort of thing that should get a head coach fired. It's like he willfully ended his team's season when he had the opportunity to at least get a couple of shots at the end zone if the FG is missed.

Yep. And the article assumes that the Lions would have attempted a 49 yard FG which if missed would have given the Bucs great field position at their own 39, but they may have punted in that situation and a punt return TD could also have happened. If not, or either way, TB would have had a few chances to make a play to extend their season had they just used their timeout after the 3rd down play when 36 seconds were left on the clock.

Bowles obviously just screwed up and didn't pay attention when he got his timeout back. There have been several instances in recent history of playoff games flipping with almost no time left. Chiefs 13 seconds left... Diggs! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable!

Not something that would get him fired but the game ain't over till it's over. "Gentlemen agreements" don't exist when you're facing either elimination or an NFC Championship birth.

Punt is blocked, returned for a TD.

Punter mishandles snap, one second left, Tampa throw to the end zone touchdown.

The clip below is from the 2020 Alabama 7A State Championship Game. Thompson High vs. Auburn High. Yeah, it's high school but it just goes to show it's not over until it's over.

Down by 9 points with just 28 seconds left after the Auburn team ran backwards taking as much time off the clock as possible before kneeling down, they were forced to punt. Then the impossible became possible. Thompson High scored 10 points in less than 28 seconds. This clip is worth the watch.

 

[jayd265]

If Allen had used the timeout in that situation he would’ve apologized to MCDC afterwards.

 

[Noble Saint]

What are you talking about...

Anyway, Bowles obviously just screwed up and didn't pay attention when he got his timeout back. There have been several instances in recent history of playoff games flipping with almost no time left. Chiefs 13 seconds left... Diggs! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable!

Not something that would get him fired but the game ain't over till it's over. "Gentlemen agreements" don't exist when you're facing either elimination or an NFC Championship birth.

I’m saying that Bowles waved the white flag and Lions knew they weren’t using their timeout. Otherwise they could’ve ran the ball and still ran the clock out. I don’t agree with it but people are making up things because they don’t understand what happened. Just like in the Aaron Rodgers deal. He makes a joke that evidently hardly anyone watched live, and people have taken it out of context like he is Alex Jones.

 

[Artifactual]

I feel like there was a gentleman’s agreement between the 2 coaches. If Detroit would have taken a knee with 1 second left every time, I think there would have been 5-10 seconds left at the end. Assuming Tampa took their timeout! Still a chance but not really!

Bowles is on record saying that "There Was No Gentlemans Agreement".

Like Bowles, you aren't far off from miscalculating the time at the end of the game. Facts>Feelings! There were 36 seconds left at the end of 3rd down. A timeout called there would have forced a punt or a FG attempt. The FG attempt would have been from 49-50 yards out, where the Lions kicker has a career make percentage of 38%. Bowles other lame take was that the game was over because the Lions were already in FG position and "We weren't coming back from that. Nonsense! A one in a million chance is better than no chance at all. He tried to play it down instead of admitting his head wasn't in the game and he messed up.

How people don’t get this is mind boggling. Hell I’ve seen an article today saying Aaron Rodgers is promoting NFL logo for the Super Bowl conspiracies. Went on to just ridicule him on so many levels when all he did was as reference it and make a joke he wanted the logo next season to be Jet green. This is how idiots win at anything. They tire you out with their stupidity.

I’m saying that Bowles waved the white flag and Lions knew they weren’t using their timeout. Otherwise they could’ve ran the ball and still ran the clock out. I don’t agree with it but people are making up things because they don’t understand what happened. Just like in the Aaron Rodgers deal. He makes a joke that evidently hardly anyone watched live, and people have taken it out of context like he is Alex Jones.

It's mind boggling alright that you are the one making things up and then putting that tag on someone else while not understanding what really happened. SMH.

The Lions could not have run out the clock. That's a fact. Both coaches had a brain fart at the end of the game. Campbell is lucky to have not paid the price for it. Bowles is lucky to still have his job. Boomer Esiason and his co-host covered this on their radio show tonight and said the exact same thing about what happened.

Why are you saying that Bowles waived the white flag, and the Lions knew the Bucs weren't going to use their timeout? Did you see a white flag being waived? Nope! Hand signals? Nope. Again, Bowles said that there wasn't any Gentlemans Agreement. And how did the Lions KNOW that the Bucs weren't going to use their timeout? Is Campell a mind reader? Nope! The simple explanation for what happened is that neither coach realized that Tampa Bay had a timeout left.

What does Aaron Rodgers comments or jokes about the NFL logo have to do with this thread topic? It would get more in-depth discussion in a thread of its own.


I've attached a clip from Bowles post-game press conference where he downplays the end of the game snafu. The comments to it overwhelmingly shred Bowles. If you are willing to take a moment to get opinions other than from the mirror, and outside of SR, it might broaden your perspective on the subject at hand.

Analysis: No excuse for Bucs' Bowles forgoing final timeout after Lions snapped the ball too early

Tampa Bay coach Todd Bowles doubled down on his decision to forego final timeout in one-possesion game after Lions snapped the ball too early in victory formation in the NFC divisional playoffs.

apnews.com

The clip below by JaguarGator9 gives an extended full take and review of the end of the game sequence and what could have resulted differently.